Genesis - The Beginning.

[seve]

Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?

It's PROOF of our Awesome God

[Divine Insight]

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?

There is nothing in the Biblical mythology that makes any mention of time dilation or that energy and mass are interchangeable. So your claim that Hebrew mythology reveals the theory of relativity is simply false.

Q.E.D.

It's PROOF of our Awesome God

Too bad you need to turn to such obvious false claims about science and ancient fables in an effort to "prove" the existence of this mythological God.

All you are doing here is openly demonstrating that you agree that the theology needs some serious help because it clearly is not a compelling cannon of myths on its own.

If the Bible had any theological merit on its own you wouldn't need to resort to such desperate claims about Genesis. So the mere fact that you are even attempting to make such an absurd argument only reveals the fact that even you agree that this ancient mythological theology is in dire need of serious help.

[seve]

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?

There is nothing in the Biblical mythology that makes any mention of time dilation or that energy and mass are interchangeable. So your claim that Hebrew mythology reveals the theory of relativity is simply false.

Q.E.D.

It's PROOF of our Awesome God

Too bad you need to turn to such obvious false claims about science and ancient fables in an effort to "prove" the existence of this mythological God.

All you are doing here is openly demonstrating that you agree that the theology needs some serious help because it clearly is not a compelling cannon of myths on its own.

If the Bible had any theological merit on its own you wouldn't need to resort to such desperate claims about Genesis. So the mere fact that you are even attempting to make such an absurd argument only reveals the fact that even you agree that this ancient mythological theology is in dire need of serious help.

Another constant whining and noise based on DISTORTED PREMISES. And has nothing to do with what has been posted and claimed. Therefore, No rebuttal necessary due to lack of merit.

Your objection is over ruled! Sorry

[seve]

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Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us the 3 elements created before the first Day. It was air, dust, and water. Jesus took some of the air, dust, and water, and changed it into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as Jesus knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.

Can someone tells us HOW ancient man Moses knew this? It's proof of our Literal God, for ONLY God could know this scientific Truth thousands of years ago, literally speaking, and leave the story in His Holy Word for a man to read and understand. The story has been there for thousands of years, but we are just now beginning to understand that it was written by the Supreme intelligence of creation. His name is YHWH or Jesus, the Son of the invisible God.

Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible. Genesis 2:4 gives us the Day this Big Bang happened. It was the 3rd Day the SAME Day the first Earth was made, which was the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10.

God also got the FACT that Stars didn't shine until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang. This is a recent scientific discovery. There is NO way any ancient man Moses could have possibly known this.

Again, it's proof of our awesome God.

First off, Genesis was put in writing about 900BC and not by Moses. Second why are there two different accounts of creation???

Third, Can you answer some questions about your god? What is your made of? Be specific. How big is your god? Where is heaven located? What is a soul made up of?

Sorry, but, you are off the continuing topic and discussion here.

I suggest that you go visit the other thread and post your questions and queries there... Theology, Doctrines and Dogmas

here's the link.... viewforum.php?f=38

BYE

[seve]

[Replying to post 3 by seve]

Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us the 3 elements created before the first Day. It was air, dust, and water. Jesus took some of the air, dust, and water, and changed it into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as Jesus knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.

Can someone tells us HOW ancient man Moses knew this? It's proof of our Literal God, for ONLY God could know this scientific Truth thousands of years ago, literally speaking, and leave the story in His Holy Word for a man to read and understand. The story has been there for thousands of years, but we are just now beginning to understand that it was written by the Supreme intelligence of creation. His name is YHWH or Jesus, the Son of the invisible God.

Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible. Genesis 2:4 gives us the Day this Big Bang happened. It was the 3rd Day the SAME Day the first Earth was made, which was the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10.

God also got the FACT that Stars didn't shine until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang. This is a recent scientific discovery. There is NO way any ancient man Moses could have possibly known this.

Again, it's proof of our awesome God.

What? The "4th Day" is part of a religious creation myth so has no relation to anything in the real world, or to science. Moses is a mythical human being who didn't actually exist (like Adam, Noah, and many other imaginary people of the bible), so he didn't write Genesis. But how can you believe in the Big Bang hypothesis at all if you believe the biblical creation myth is actually, literally true?

This series of posts (which are basically just preaching), certainly do not prove the existence of any god (the one from the Christian bible, or any other of the thousands humans have invented). You can't claim a proof of the existence of a god by referencing the holy book that invented the god.

Ok, here is the summary of evidence below. It is up to you to refute it with YOUR evidence.

Also, please explain How ancient man could have possibly known the following:

We live in a Multiverse. Gen. 1:6-8 and Gen. 2:4
The Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. Gen. 2:4
The Stars did not put out their light until Million of years after the BB. Gen. 2:4 and Gen. 1:17
All life was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen. 1:21
The formula for producing today's Humans is found in Gen. 6:4 It's the combination of prehistoric people and Adam's descendants.
The explanation of How and When today's humans inherited their human intelligence, from Adam, who never stepped foot on this Earth.
The Map of the Fertile Cresent which shows that the first Farmers (Adam farmed with NO evolution) arrived on our Planet some 10k years ago. This map shows that Human civilization, on this Earth, began just south of the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia, in total agreement with Scripture. 

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE... http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

History agrees and the empirical evidence is contained in the FIRST human cities on our Earth. Human history, on this Earth, can be traced to the arrival of Noah, on our Earth.

All of the above could ONLY have come from God since NO ancient man could have possible known those events 3k years ago. It's PROOF of our God .... and it's up to YOU to refute God's Truth. Bring on your evidence or everyone will see that you don't have any. 

Btw, so far, all I've seen from you is Bluf and blatant EDITION of quotes - for the purposes of distortion other's recorded stand, correct DrNoGods? 

[Divine Insight]

Another constant whining and noise based on DISTORTED PREMISES. And has nothing to do with what has been posted and claimed. Therefore, No rebuttal necessary due to lack of merit.

Your objection is over ruled! Sorry

Making false accusations toward other members posts won't make their valid points go away.

I have indeed rebuked your false claims. Nowhere in the Hebrew mythology of Genesis is there any mention of time dilation or the fact that energy and matter are interchangeable.

Apparently you don't even know what Einstein's Relativity actually says.

The fictitious God of the ancient Hebrew mythology is dead. There's nothing you can do to bring it back to life again. It's been carved in stone and has died under its own weight of extreme contradictory claims.

I wish I could say, "nice try", but even that doesn't apply.

[Divine Insight]

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Third, Can you answer some questions about your god? What is your made of? Be specific. How big is your god? Where is heaven located? What is a soul made up of?

Sorry, but, you are off the continuing topic and discussion here.

I suggest that you go visit the other thread and post your questions and queries there... Theology, Doctrines and Dogmas

here's the link.... viewforum.php?f=38

BYE

In other words, don't ask any questions about the theology as it has already been debunked. Now we need to ignore the theology and pretend that we can argue for this ancient mythological God using SCIENCE!

Funny how theists turn to science to prove the existence of their God after having spent years rejecting science for being incompatible with their God.

I wonder what seve thinks of evolution? Or does he only appeal to the parts of science he thinks he can use to support his favorite mythology?

Hey Seve, were Adam and Eve monkeys? Or would you prefer to ignore science on that one?

Was the Great Flood a biblical lie? Or again would you prefer to ignore science on that one too?

[seve]

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact, correct?

There is nothing in the Biblical mythology that makes any mention of time dilation or that energy and mass are interchangeable. So your claim that Hebrew mythology reveals the theory of relativity is simply false.

Q.E.D.

It's PROOF of our Awesome God

Too bad you need to turn to such obvious false claims about science and ancient fables in an effort to "prove" the existence of this mythological God.

All you are doing here is openly demonstrating that you agree that the theology needs some serious help because it clearly is not a compelling cannon of myths on its own.

If the Bible had any theological merit on its own you wouldn't need to resort to such desperate claims about Genesis. So the mere fact that you are even attempting to make such an absurd argument only reveals the fact that even you agree that this ancient mythological theology is in dire need of serious help.

NOVEMBER 26, 2014 BY BRIAN KOBERLEIN
How are Energy and Matter the Same?
As Einstein showed us, light and matter and just aspects of the same thing. Matter is just frozen light. And light is matter on the move. How does one become the other?

Albert Einstein’s most famous equation says that energy and matter are two sides of the same coin.
But what does that really mean? And how are equations famous? I like to believe equations can be famous in the way a work of art, or a philosophy can be famous. People can have awareness of the thing, and yet never have interacted with it. They can understand that it is important, and yet not understand why it’s so significant. Which is a little too bad, as this is really a lovely mind bending idea.

The origin of E=mc2 lies in special relativity. Light has the same speed no matter what frame of reference you are in. No matter where you are, or how fast you’re going. If you were standing still at the side of the road, and observed a car traveling at ¾ light speed, you would see the light from their headlights traveling away from them at ¼ the speed of light.

But the driver of the car would still see that the light moving ahead of them at the speed of light. This is only possible if their time appears to slow down relative to you, and you and the people in the car can no longer agree on how long a second would take to pass.

Einstein's famous equation. Image via Pixabay.
Einstein’s famous equation. Image via Pixabay.
So the light appears to be moving away from them more slowly, but as they experience things more slowly it all evens out. This also affects their apparent mass. If they step on the gas, they will speed up more slowly than you would expect. It’s as if the car has more mass than you expect. So relativity requires that the faster an object moves, the more mass it appears to have. This means that somehow part of the energy of the car’s motion appears to transform into mass. Hence the origin of Einstein’s equation. How does that happen? We don’t really know. We only know that it does.

The same effect occurs with quantum particles, and not just with light. A neutron, for example, can decay into a proton, electron and anti-neutrino. The mass of these three particles is less than the mass of a neutron, so they each get some energy as well. So energy and matter are really the same thing. Completely interchangeable. And finally, Although energy and mass are related through special relativity, mass and space are related through general relativity. You can define any mass by a distance known as its Schwarzschild radius, which is the radius of a black hole of that mass. So in a way, energy, matter, space and time are all aspects of the same thing.

What do you think? Like E=mc2, what’s the most famous idea you can think of in physics?

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Source: https://www.universetoday.com/116615/ho ... -the-same/

[seve]

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Third, Can you answer some questions about your god? What is your made of? Be specific. How big is your god? Where is heaven located? What is a soul made up of?

Sorry, but, you are off the continuing topic and discussion here.

I suggest that you go visit the other thread and post your questions and queries there... Theology, Doctrines and Dogmas

here's the link.... viewforum.php?f=38

BYE

In other words, don't ask any questions about the theology as it has already been debunked. Now we need to ignore the theology and pretend that we can argue for this ancient mythological God using SCIENCE!

Funny how theists turn to science to prove the existence of their God after having spent years rejecting science for being incompatible with their God.

I wonder what seve thinks of evolution? Or does he only appeal to the parts of science he thinks he can use to support his favorite mythology?

Hey Seve, were Adam and Eve monkeys? Or would you prefer to ignore science on that one?

Was the Great Flood a biblical lie? Or again would you prefer to ignore science on that one too?

Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric people) instead of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans.

This is clear when you ask Evols to explain WHERE the first Human came from, since the only way in which Humans can pass the invisible intelligence of Adam, to another Human, is through the birthing process. Evols run, hide, call names, imply that anyone who asks this question is nuts, and claim there was no first Human and that magical evolution did it.

NONE of them can produce ANY evidence of this event since Science is currently IGNORANT of the difference between Human and Animal intelligence Today. They would have us believe that Apes evolved into Humans and that it happened 200k years ago.

Evols also falsely CLAIM that long periods of time and numerous positive mutations produced Human intelligence in animals. No Evol refutes them because God has caught ALL of them in His Snare, which He set with the Flood. The Trap they are caught in is that they have been Falsely teaching Evolution for more than 50 years, that Humans evolved from animals, BECAUSE they have Rejected God's Truth of the Flood. Soon, they must DEFEND this Satanic Lie and the only defense they have is to be "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Here is God's Truth, which tells of this debate, with the Scoffers in the last days.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

Here is the origin of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, as commanded by God some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time. Science AGREES that our cells cannot survive without liquid water and that’s also why we seek liquid water on other planets to see if they have the possibility of life form or not. We find the bones of prehistoric people all the way back to the time when they diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day

Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 11k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.

Prehistoric people were just like today's Humans and they moved and had their origin in water EXACTLY as Scripture and Science tell us. Science calls this appearance of life from water a "Natural" happening, but God shows that it was all a part of His Creation.

What the posting shows is that this False Teaching of the ToE is NOT true, and supposes things which have No data to support their False Assumptions. That's because Humans are the descendants of Adam and Adam's superior intelligence MUST be inherited sexually and CANNOT happen by chance mutation and long periods of time as Evolutionism falsely preaches.

[seve]

[Replying to post 18 by seve]

Dear Evols,

I present You as factual evidence that God created and made everything that moves, including Humans and the Prehistoric People - described as sons of God by the Scripture. All Humans descended from Adam, the first Human.

Evols have No idea How or When we inherited our Human Intelligence, but Moses knew, and told of it more than 3k years ago. Gen 6:4

This evidence, which agrees with every true discovery of Science, History, is True to Scripture, and shows that All of You would Not be here, to post your ideas, if Noah had not brought Human Intelligence to this "Planet of Apes" (Evols Term).

The fact that you can organize a thought, and type it into your computer, separates you from all other animals, and identifies you as "Human".

Mindless Evolution nor Uncaring Nature produced Human Intelligence. That's the Big Lie and that's Evolutionism, the Evol Religion. No Un-Intelligent entity, nor Flawed Theory, ever produced anything.

Jesus made it or it's Not here.

Evols, please state Factual Evidence of your Religious Faith here. You have few minutes. I promise I won't laugh that hard..

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to post 19 by seve]

I present You as factual evidence that God created and made everything that moves, including Humans and the Prehistoric People - described as sons of God by the Scripture. All Humans descended from Adam, the first Human.

You've presented no factual evidence whatsoever. All you've done is made reference to a holy book that tells the story of a god creating everything that moves, including a first human called Adam. What you have not done is demonstrated that this god exists in the first place, much less that it created anything.

Humans evolved from a great ape ancestor. This has been proven by the genetics work of the last 40+ years. It is not fiction like the biblical stories you are relying on. Adam and Eve are mythical creatures that didn't actually exist. They are part of a religious creation myth. From the guidelines for this subforum:

"While posters may certainly take positions based on religious doctrine, the Bible or other religious writings are not to be considered evidence for scientific claims."

So you'll need to support your claims without making reference to the bible, or simply declaring something to be true simply because you said so (which is all you have done so far).

Evols, please state Factual Evidence of your Religious Faith here. You have few minutes. I promise I won't laugh that hard.

Evolution is not a religion ... it is a formal scientific theory documented in thousands of scientific articles, books, websites, etc. Do you know the difference between science, and believing something purely on faith without any evidence (eg. religion)? Laugh (and preach) all you like, but sticking your head in the sand and refusing to believe what science has shown just leaves you in the dark.