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Replying to post 15 by Diagoras]
*points to clock*
That is an interesting point. What direction is the future of the past? Does a clock in our three dimensional world show the direction of time or a measurement of how it is moving?
Joking aside, the original claim for H2D Comm is that ‘anyone’ can do this. Suddenly, you’re saying that it’s only something that a believer can do. All you are doing is defeating the original claim.
Yes, I am. Why would you think that anyone can do this? Prayer is only for those who believe like 1 Peter 3:12 states:
"For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are inclined to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.�"
God does not hear the prayers of those who are not believers.
Why should I have to ‘point to the fifth dimension’ anyway? All humans experience the same number of dimensions as each other, so presumably the act of prayer for a human doesn’t involve somehow accessing dimensions other than what we usually perceive. And if the ‘reply’ from your god is transmitted through a different dimension, then how is that received by a human who can’t interact with that dimension? There has to be some sort of interdimensional conversion going on.
Yes exactly. Great way to put that. There is an interdimensional conversion going on. Christians do believe that we can and do exist in "other dimensions" for lack of better terms. It is our spirit that is connected to this other dimension. Like John 4:24 states "God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.� Humans are also part spirit and a Christian communicates to God by spirit.
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but it is to align our will with God's will. This is also a topic that a non believer would not understand. Non believers cannot understand this because they do not believe they are a sinner in need of a savior. There is nothing that brings a believer more joy than to know their sins are forgiven and for them to be aligned with the will of God. That is a believers great joy. I do not think that would be the case for a non believer.
So if you sin against someone, but are then forgiven by only God, you’d be happy about that? Wouldn’t being forgiven by the person you sinned against have more meaning - and possibly joy for both of you, not just the sinner?
It is much better to be forgiven by God than by man. But a Christian has to seek the forgiveness of the one they offended because that is what God commands his followers to do. This is why many times when people who have committed crimes come to Christ they turn themselves into authorities.
I’m hearing more of the “you would never understand� argument than I initially thought I would. Surely one of the purposes of this forum is to promote understanding? Wouldn’t anyone like to engage in a way that aligns with those purposes?
The Bible states that we pray to God in Spirit by using our Spirit. As far as I know atheist do not believe that part of a humans anatomy is spirit. So how would an atheist communicate with God?