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The Existence of a Preadamic Population on Earth.

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Let's chat about origins and creation.

It is not possible to explain the ancient geological evidence in the Earth, or the Massive numbers and size of Megalithic ruins all over the Earth with a Young Earth narrative. Additionally, recent discoveries of hominid bones and their retrieved DNA, recovered with crafted artifacts, from numerous sites do not support a theory of human evolution, but shows strong evidence of hominids on Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago suddenly arising.

Even retrieved clay and stone records list kings and their populations living for many successive tens of thousands of years. The successively distinct categories of fossilized reptiles and lower life forms shows multiple repetitive appearances and extinctions, far apart from any do called Evolution unto modern creatures. The recently discovered incredible resilience of microlife denies its theorized creation only for today's low stress biome.

The only theory which gives sense to all of this is the following:

1.) Earth has for close to half a million years been a Petri dish for propagation of various carbon based species.

2.) Successive planetary catastrophies have each time wiped out most life, but have occasionslly left living survivors, and have left many physical artifacts.

3.) The creation and manipulation of the physical Earth and its life have been puposefully accomplished by various sentient agencies able to plan and execute with intricacy.

4.) The most recent recreation if the biome and life has been done by the Superior Great Creator YHWH/Elohim/God as recorded in Genesis, when God said "Let Us Make Man In Our Image," which had never before been done. After all of the previous experimentation by other beings, God then created a far superior Man in His own Image.

5.) Researched oral traditions and artifacts show every major ancient culture had an enduring narrative of both extra terrestrial action upon creation, and a world wide flood.

Today, we have a huge data base of non God supernatural beings tampering with the life forms and the DNA of God's superior humans, in order to corrupt and control us for their Satanic purposes. Large eye socketed and oversized humanoid skulls from Egypt, South America, Central Europe, and other recesses show there were greatly nontypical humanoids living in ancient empires. Even a very small nonhuman, nonape biped Egyptian mummy has been found.

Yes, the fallen angels and Satan can manipulate existing life forms, as shown in the Pre Noah accounts of Genesis and the Book of Enoch. It continues through today. Jesus will now return when the Earth again becomes "As The Days of Noah" were with its corrupted life forms.

Unfortunately, Christendom denies this all, as part of their high road to spiritual superiority and tidy Theology. Unfortunately as well, the corrupt Roman Catholic church being The Beast of Babylon actually has a leg up on the reality of some of this. They will use it as a tool of the emerging One World Order.

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William wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:05 pm I would say that as far a science goes, it will indeed stay in the realm of conjecture until such possible problems with the simulation are identified.
Hi William,
Fair enough. I would say that such conjecture is basically naturalistic. It is based upon the idea of how our technology has advanced and suggests that more advanced technology might well enable other beings to create full simulations of a universe. I would alter your statement slightly therefore to suggest that this is pure speculation until or unless there is enough evidence that this is so. However, at least it is grounded on naturalistic foundations.
Do you also suggest that religion also keeps their various ideas about this universe being created by Creators/a Creator "in the realm of conjecture" for the same reasons as you have mentioned...?
Physics has taken us a long way down the path of how the universe began, but what came before the 'big bang' no one knows, including adherents to all religionis. There are various interesting speculations in physics, one of which is the block universe hypothesis, which is suggested by general relativity, another is the eternal expansion and contraction idea. All have their problems and their critics.
However, simply to produce some sort of god(s) who works by 'magic' explains nothing and is just a case of special pleading. If the existence/or creation of the universe is unexplained, then that is no more/less mysterious than the existence/creation of a god who created said universe.

So, my response to your question, is that religion generally doesn't conjecture, it asserts, and on questions such as creation, does so with a complete lack of evidence whatsoever, usually preferring 'magic' to put its points across. As an agnostic atheist I cannot rule out god(s) but I have no reason to believe in any of them.

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blackstart wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:48 am
William wrote: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:05 pm I would say that as far a science goes, it will indeed stay in the realm of conjecture until such possible problems with the simulation are identified.
Hi William,
Fair enough. I would say that such conjecture is basically naturalistic. It is based upon the idea of how our technology has advanced and suggests that more advanced technology might well enable other beings to create full simulations of a universe. I would alter your statement slightly therefore to suggest that this is pure speculation until or unless there is enough evidence that this is so. However, at least it is grounded on naturalistic foundations.
Do you also suggest that religion also keeps their various ideas about this universe being created by Creators/a Creator "in the realm of conjecture" for the same reasons as you have mentioned...?
Of course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.

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William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 amOf course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.
What, like they're going to keep it a secret in order to spare the rest of us the terrible truth? Have you met any scientists? Scientists are more worried about getting scooped than hurting someone's feelings; "publish or perish" is often said jokingly, but rarely ironically.

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Difflugia wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:46 pm
William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 amOf course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.
What, like they're going to keep it a secret in order to spare the rest of us the terrible truth?
There can be other reasons why they would keep it secret.
Have you met any scientists?
Not any that are involved with the pursuit of finding out if we exist within a Reality Simulation.
Scientists are more worried about getting scooped than hurting someone's feelings; "publish or perish" is often said jokingly, but rarely ironically.
I suppose in that "they are only human" as the saying goes...and in that, if it gave them an advantage over the majority of other human beings, to keep such information secret, why wouldn't they?

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[Replying to Benson in post #61]
I have huge evidence, largely from God's Mercy to give sight and sentience.
Sight has evolved independently more than once, and in different forms. It is useful to be able to detect light in general (the beginning step in eye evolution), and to see in detail as many animals can is even more valuable. So it is not a surprise that sight has evolved, and there is plenty of evidence that it was not just "created" or "given" as you say in full form. A good summary of eye evolution is given in this Keeler lecture:

https://www.nature.com/articles/eye2017226

which references the well-known (and discussed here several times) paper by Nilsson and Pelger which outlines how long the path might take to go from a simple eye path to a fully formed eye. There is also evidence in our own human eyes that some inefficiences are in place due to the evolution from mammals living mainly at night, to modern humans living mainly in daylight.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 131018.htm

Another point for evolution being how sight actually developed, rather than some perfect creation by a deity who poofed eyes into existence from nothing.
If you have a cell phone, do you look upon it as a chance self assembly of components? Is its technology from randomness? Is the subatomic matter held in quantum balance without any external impetus?
Cell phones are just another step in a continuous process of improving and expanding communications and other functions as new technology is developed (by science and engineering, BTW). So-called smartphones took off when high-speed, wireless broadband internet became available which enabled new applications. So it wasn't a chance self assembly of components but a present example of a product resulting from a long sequence of technological advancements. The technology was not random and cell phones did not assemble themselves, obviously.

Subatomic matter is held together by the strong and weak nuclear forces. Atoms form molecules through covalent and ionic bonding, and react via the rules of chemistry. We know a great deal about how all of this works, and there is no external impetus required. The development of quantum mechanics in the early 20th century, and the Standard Model of physics in the second half of that century, led to a much more detailed understanding of atomic physics including how subatomic matter is held in "quantum balance."

Not sure what these question were for, unless you are suggesting that evolution could not have led to a diversity of life from single-celled organisms to modern animals because it would require some sort of external impetus to guide it. Natural selection drives which evolutionary changes persist and which do not, so in a sense it would be roughly analogous to an external impetus I suppose ... but certainly not one with divine characteristics. Invoking gods to explain nature has yet to score any points when it comes to demonstration of that mechanism as being viable.
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William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 am Of course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.
Hi William,
No faith needed.. That's the whole idea of the scientific method. If evidence was found, that evidence would be published in a reputable peer reviewed publication with full details so that others, for instance, could replicate any experiments and peruse the data critically. That's what scientific papers are all about. :)

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blackstart wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:23 pm
William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 am Of course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.
Hi William,
No faith needed.. That's the whole idea of the scientific method. If evidence was found, that evidence would be published in a reputable peer reviewed publication with full details so that others, for instance, could replicate any experiments and peruse the data critically. That's what scientific papers are all about. :)
If it gave them an advantage over the majority of other human beings, to keep such information secret, why wouldn't they?

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William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:48 pm
blackstart wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:23 pm
William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 am Of course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.
Hi William,
No faith needed.. That's the whole idea of the scientific method. If evidence was found, that evidence would be published in a reputable peer reviewed publication with full details so that others, for instance, could replicate any experiments and peruse the data critically. That's what scientific papers are all about. :)
If it gave them an advantage over the majority of other human beings, to keep such information secret, why wouldn't they?
Hi William,
Not really very likely, as scientists cooperate together across many countries, especially on fields such as cosmology, quantum mechanics and nuclear physics.

However, think of the kudos and the headlines. "Forum investigator uncovers coverup by scientists which shows we live in a simulated universe." Just remember you'd need a heap of evidence to back up your accusations. It's called the burden of proof. I leave it with you. :)

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blackstart wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:00 pm
William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:48 pm
blackstart wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:23 pm
William wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:08 am Of course one would have to place a certain amount of faith in scientists to tell us if they discover that we are indeed existing within a reality simulation.
Hi William,
No faith needed.. That's the whole idea of the scientific method. If evidence was found, that evidence would be published in a reputable peer reviewed publication with full details so that others, for instance, could replicate any experiments and peruse the data critically. That's what scientific papers are all about. :)
If it gave them an advantage over the majority of other human beings, to keep such information secret, why wouldn't they?
Hi William,
Not really very likely, as scientists cooperate together across many countries, especially on fields such as cosmology, quantum mechanics and nuclear physics.

However, think of the kudos and the headlines. "Forum investigator uncovers coverup by scientists which shows we live in a simulated universe." Just remember you'd need a heap of evidence to back up your accusations. It's called the burden of proof. I leave it with you. :)
What makes you think that there are no scientists employed in non-secular science projects? Why would you think that these would share their knowledge with secular scientists? Why would you think that getting kudo's from the world ignorant of existing within a Reality Simulation would be something they would care for?
What makes you think that the world would be interested in finding out it exists within a Reality Simulation?

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DrNoGods wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:59 pm [Replying to Benson in post #61]
I have huge evidence, largely from God's Mercy to give sight and sentience.
Sight has evolved independently more than once, and in different forms. It is useful to be able to detect light in general (the beginning step in eye evolution), and to see in detail as many animals can is even more valuable. So it is not a surprise that sight has evolved, and there is plenty of evidence that it was not just "created" or "given" as you say in full form. A good summary of eye evolution is given in this Keeler lecture:

https://www.nature.com/articles/eye2017226

which references the well-known (and discussed here several times) paper by Nilsson and Pelger which outlines how long the path might take to go from a simple eye path to a fully formed eye. There is also evidence in our own human eyes that some inefficiences are in place due to the evolution from mammals living mainly at night, to modern humans living mainly in daylight.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 131018.htm

Another point for evolution being how sight actually developed, rather than some perfect creation by a deity who poofed eyes into existence from nothing.
If you have a cell phone, do you look upon it as a chance self assembly of components? Is its technology from randomness? Is the subatomic matter held in quantum balance without any external impetus?
Cell phones are just another step in a continuous process of improving and expanding communications and other functions as new technology is developed (by science and engineering, BTW). So-called smartphones took off when high-speed, wireless broadband internet became available which enabled new applications. So it wasn't a chance self assembly of components but a present example of a product resulting from a long sequence of technological advancements. The technology was not random and cell phones did not assemble themselves, obviously.

Subatomic matter is held together by the strong and weak nuclear forces. Atoms form molecules through covalent and ionic bonding, and react via the rules of chemistry. We know a great deal about how all of this works, and there is no external impetus required. The development of quantum mechanics in the early 20th century, and the Standard Model of physics in the second half of that century, led to a much more detailed understanding of atomic physics including how subatomic matter is held in "quantum balance."

Not sure what these question were for, unless you are suggesting that evolution could not have led to a diversity of life from single-celled organisms to modern animals because it would require some sort of external impetus to guide it. Natural selection drives which evolutionary changes persist and which do not, so in a sense it would be roughly analogous to an external impetus I suppose ... but certainly not one with divine characteristics. Invoking gods to explain nature has yet to score any points when it comes to demonstration of that mechanism as being viable.
There is no benefit for anyone to hear about what has "surprised" you, and certainly not as it relates to the trash of evolution theory. Do you need to know why your sense of "surprise" is inconsequential?

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