Question for Debate: If science actually proved God, would you change the way you lived your life?
And if so, why? Also, what would it be based upon? If it just so happens that the person in front of the computer posting as Purple Knight created the universe, do I gain any special moral credibility from that action? The way I see it, no, I don't. If I created the universe, so what? Your parents created you, and if they're bad people who want you to do bad things, you can still (and should, to my mind) say no.
If Science Revealed God
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #61Some of us feel that way about a lot of what's in the Bible and dismiss it for the same reason.2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:31 am I cannot be sure that Revelations is God's word, or merely a hallucination brought on by an over indulgence of magic mushrooms. Certainly, it does not qualify as a rational account of the end of the world, and I dismiss it for that reason.
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #62I think the Gospels are pretty reliable, but basically I prefer the philosophy of religion to theology.brunumb wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:44 pmSome of us feel that way about a lot of what's in the Bible and dismiss it for the same reason.2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:31 am I cannot be sure that Revelations is God's word, or merely a hallucination brought on by an over indulgence of magic mushrooms. Certainly, it does not qualify as a rational account of the end of the world, and I dismiss it for that reason.
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #63Sounds like a nascent faith position, to me. I am not denigrating it, just making an observation.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:44 pmI don't have any,...2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:08 am
Now, what is your evidence that Jesus was not one, but several people?
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #64And just where is this nascent faith supposed to lie?2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:55 amSounds like a nascent faith position, to me.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:44 pmI don't have any,...2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:08 am
Now, what is your evidence that Jesus was not one, but several people?
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Thing is, the person referred to in the Bible as Jesus has never been shown to have positively existed as an individual, therefore it's reasonable to hold, as some scholars have, that the Jesus of the Bible may have been a compilation of the sayings and deeds of several individuals---be they true or not. Personally, I don 't think this is likely to be the case and for convenience sake go along with the idea that Jesus was a particular individual, even though there remains the possibility he was not.
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #65Just for completeness, these aren't mutually exclusive. Even if there was a man Jesus that was the inspiration for Christianity, we may have nothing left of that Jesus in the Bible.Miles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:55 amThing is, the person referred to in the Bible as Jesus has never been shown to have positively existed as an individual, therefore it's reasonable to hold, as some scholars have, that the Jesus of the Bible may have been a compilation of the sayings and deeds of several individuals---be they true or not. Personally, I don 't think this is likely to be the case and for convenience sake go along with the idea that Jesus was a particular individual, even though there remains the possibility he was not.
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Post #66You argue something for which, by your own admission, you have no evidence.Miles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:55 amAnd just where is this nascent faith supposed to lie?2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:55 amSounds like a nascent faith position, to me.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:44 pmI don't have any,...2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:08 am
Now, what is your evidence that Jesus was not one, but several people?
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Best wishes, 2RM
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #67I think that if science revealed that God is real, many people would start changing for the better. From my perspective, I wouldn't change. I grew up believing and loving God. Even though there are scientific explanations for many things, I still believe in our Lord's power and love towards humanity. Sometimes I had moments of confusion. I didn't even realize what was real and what wasn't.
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #68Do you honestly not know what the word "may" means as I used it in post 51?2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:29 amYou argue something for which, by your own admission, you have no evidence.Miles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:55 amAnd just where is this nascent faith supposed to lie?2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:55 amSounds like a nascent faith position, to me.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:44 pmI don't have any,...2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:08 am
Now, what is your evidence that Jesus was not one, but several people?
Best wishes, 2RM.
Best wishes, 2RM
"The tales, events, and sayings of Jesus may have swirled around several people. "
If you do, why your ridiculous assertion? If you don't, let me help you out.
may
/mā/
modal verb: may
1. expressing possibility.
/mā/
modal verb: may
1. expressing possibility.
And just in case it's needed,
possibility noun
pos·si·bil·i·ty | \ ˌpä-sə-ˈbi-lə-tē
plural possibilities
1 : the condition or fact of being possible
pos·si·bil·i·ty | \ ˌpä-sə-ˈbi-lə-tē
plural possibilities
1 : the condition or fact of being possible
pos·si·ble | \ ˈpä-sə-bəl
Definition of possible
: being something that may or may not be true or actual
Definition of possible
: being something that may or may not be true or actual
I know this brings you back around to the "may" word, which denotes possibility, but that's the way synonyms sometimes work.
Hope I've helped.
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #69Why raise the possibility, for which you have no evidence, unless you are making the point?Miles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:18 pmDo you honestly not know what the word "may" means as I used it in post 51?2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:29 amYou argue something for which, by your own admission, you have no evidence.Miles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:55 amAnd just where is this nascent faith supposed to lie?2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:55 amSounds like a nascent faith position, to me.Miles wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:44 pmI don't have any,...2ndRateMind wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:08 am
Now, what is your evidence that Jesus was not one, but several people?
Best wishes, 2RM.
Best wishes, 2RM
"The tales, events, and sayings of Jesus may have swirled around several people. "
If you do, why your ridiculous assertion? If you don't, let me help you out.
may
/mā/
modal verb: may
1. expressing possibility.
And just in case it's needed,
possibility noun
pos·si·bil·i·ty | \ ˌpä-sə-ˈbi-lə-tē
plural possibilities
1 : the condition or fact of being possible
pos·si·ble | \ ˈpä-sə-bəl
Definition of possible
: being something that may or may not be true or actual
I know this brings you back around to the "may" word, which denotes possibility, but that's the way synonyms sometimes work.
Hope I've helped.
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Best wishes, 2RM.nascent
/ˈnas(ə)nt,ˈneɪs(ə)nt/
adjective
(especially of a process or organisation) just coming into existence and beginning to display signs of future potential.
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Re: If Science Revealed God
Post #70This reminds me of a group of Quakers I knew (I doubt all Quakers would agree) who spoke of the Jesus of faith and the Jesus of history. They realized that they very likely have little to do with each other, but they still thought the Jesus of faith could be a good guide or example. Of course, they made exceptions. Being pacifists, they disagreed with the violence loving aspects of the Jesus of the Gospels and Revelation.
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