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A bill to allow Christian beliefs to be taught in Arkansas classrooms easily passed the state House Wednesday. House Bill 1701 now heads to the Senate side for a vote.
The bill will allow kindergarten through 12th grade teachers to teach students about the Christian theory of creationism, which claims that a divine being conjured the universe and all things in it in six days. The bill specifies that creationism can be taught not only in religion and philosophy classes, but “as a theory of how the Earth came to exist.”
As with so many pieces of legislation churning out of the Arkansas Capitol this session, if HB 1701 passes, a quick court challenge on this blatant mixing of church and state is all but inevitable. The United States Supreme Court already considered this issue in 1987 and ruled in no uncertain terms that teaching creationism in public school classrooms is unconstitutional. But blatant unconstitutionality hasn’t dissuaded Arkansas lawmakers so far this session. One Senate bill that passed recently, for example, declared all federal gun laws null and void within our state’s borders, in clear opposition to the Supremacy Clause that says federal laws take precedence over state laws.
Rep. Mary Bentley (R-Perryville), sponsor of House Bill 1701 “TO ALLOW CREATIONISM AS A THEORY OF HOW THE EARTH CAME TO EXIST TO BE TAUGHT IN KINDERGARTEN THROUGH GRADE TWELVE CLASSES IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND OPEN–ENROLLMENT PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS,” said she put forth the bill at the request of science teachers in her district.
“There are phenomena in our nature that evolution cannot explain,” Bentley said. She emphasized that science teachers may teach creationism under this bill, but they don’t have to.
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Stupid beyond belief, but what's your opinion?
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Post #191Science neither accepts nor rejects the idea of the supernatural. That neutrality helps keep science self-correcting, even when scientists aren't.Miles wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:00 amIf you're implying that science acknowledges the supernatural, but either chooses not to delve into it or cannot do so, you're quite mistaken.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:56 pm [Replying to Miles in post #185]Science doesn't state that the supernatural doesn't exist; it merely acknowledges that the supernatural lies outside its purview.as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.
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Post #192[Replying to Miles in post #0]
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a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
The Bible states that God has all of the above attributes.
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1. The laws of physics do describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.Okay, then present your evidence that "science says that the universe had to be created by a Creator God," because as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.
a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
The Bible states that God has all of the above attributes.
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Post #193Okay. I'm listening. What characteristics do the laws of physics say a thing has to have to have created the universe? I ask because I'm unaware of any and because obviously you know what they are. . . . . . . Oh yes, what do the laws of physics call this "thing"?EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:42 pm [Replying to Miles in post #0]
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1. The laws of physics do describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.Okay, then present your evidence that "science says that the universe had to be created by a Creator God," because as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.
Where? Where does the Bible state that "past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time," AND that this is an attribute of god? AND, where does it state that "any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient," AND that this is an attribute of god? Chapters and verses will suffice.a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
The Bible states that God has all of the above attributes.
Oops, just about forgot. Why does an unconscious creator of the universe defy probability? And just what is the probability that the creator is conscious, and why that number and none other?
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Post #194Science and the laws of physics say nothing about any of those things. Also, there is no evidence to support the claim that a 'thing or person' created the universe. What you are presenting is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:42 pm 1. The laws of physics do describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
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Post #195I don't disagree with what you're saying. But what I gleamed from EARTHSCIENCEGUY's quoted post was that, the items they listed, is what something or someone would need to possess in order to create, well, everything, based on the laws of physics we currently know. In other words, what we know would mean, if someone or thing was to create everything, it would have to have these characteristics.brunumb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 pmScience and the laws of physics say nothing about any of those things. Also, there is no evidence to support the claim that a 'thing or person' created the universe. What you are presenting is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:42 pm 1. The laws of physics do describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
That doesn't me (IMO) this thing DOES exist or did any creation of any sort.
Additionally, there are particles that, if discovered and verified, could change physics and its laws as we know it (according to the particle documentary I recently watched, at least). The point here is, we know what we know, but there could be other things we don't know that could sway our ideas in all sorts of ways if discovered. Potentially.
But that's just how I read the post - I could be wrong.
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Post #196Agreed.nobspeople wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:16 amI don't disagree with what you're saying. But what I gleamed from EARTHSCIENCEGUY's quoted post was that, the items they listed, is what something or someone would need to possess in order to create, well, everything, based on the laws of physics we currently know. In other words, what we know would mean, if someone of thing was to create everything, it would have to have these characteristics.brunumb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 pmScience and the laws of physics say nothing about any of those things. Also, there is no evidence to support the claim that a 'thing or person' created the universe. What you are presenting is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:42 pm 1. The laws of physics do describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
That doesn't me (IMO) this thing DOES exist or did any creation of any sort.
Additionally, there are particles that, if discovered and verified, could change physics and its laws as we know it (according to the particle documentary I recently watched, at least). The point here is, we know what we know, but there could be other things we don't know that could sway our ideas in all sorts of ways if discovered. Potentially.
But that's just how I read the post - I could be wrong.
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Post #197That's cool 'n all, but what's REALLY cool is you can say you speak for said god, start a church and take all the sheeple's money! That's something I could get behind - might want to look into it.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:58 pmAgreed.nobspeople wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:16 amI don't disagree with what you're saying. But what I gleamed from EARTHSCIENCEGUY's quoted post was that, the items they listed, is what something or someone would need to possess in order to create, well, everything, based on the laws of physics we currently know. In other words, what we know would mean, if someone of thing was to create everything, it would have to have these characteristics.brunumb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 pmScience and the laws of physics say nothing about any of those things. Also, there is no evidence to support the claim that a 'thing or person' created the universe. What you are presenting is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:42 pm 1. The laws of physics do describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
a. eternal
b. omnipotent
c. omnipresent
d. existence outside of space and time.
e. past, present, and future all had to be created at the same time.
d. Whatever created the universe either had to be conscious or defy probability.
e. any conscious being that omnipotent and omnipresent Has to be omniscient.
That doesn't me (IMO) this thing DOES exist or did any creation of any sort.
Additionally, there are particles that, if discovered and verified, could change physics and its laws as we know it (according to the particle documentary I recently watched, at least). The point here is, we know what we know, but there could be other things we don't know that could sway our ideas in all sorts of ways if discovered. Potentially.
But that's just how I read the post - I could be wrong.
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Post #198[Replying to nobspeople in post #195]
OK, except that the laws of physics do not describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
OK, except that the laws of physics do not describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
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Post #199That doesn't stop people from assigning these things to a being and 'quoting' physics thoughbrunumb wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:28 pm [Replying to nobspeople in post #195]
OK, except that the laws of physics do not describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.
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Post #200[Replying to brunumb in post #198]
Do you have a reason why you believe the statement above or are you just making a personal statement about your beliefs of the cosmos? Thanks for sharing.OK, except that the laws of physics do not describe what characteristics the thing or person which created this universe has to have.