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A bill to allow Christian beliefs to be taught in Arkansas classrooms easily passed the state House Wednesday. House Bill 1701 now heads to the Senate side for a vote.
The bill will allow kindergarten through 12th grade teachers to teach students about the Christian theory of creationism, which claims that a divine being conjured the universe and all things in it in six days. The bill specifies that creationism can be taught not only in religion and philosophy classes, but “as a theory of how the Earth came to exist.”
As with so many pieces of legislation churning out of the Arkansas Capitol this session, if HB 1701 passes, a quick court challenge on this blatant mixing of church and state is all but inevitable. The United States Supreme Court already considered this issue in 1987 and ruled in no uncertain terms that teaching creationism in public school classrooms is unconstitutional. But blatant unconstitutionality hasn’t dissuaded Arkansas lawmakers so far this session. One Senate bill that passed recently, for example, declared all federal gun laws null and void within our state’s borders, in clear opposition to the Supremacy Clause that says federal laws take precedence over state laws.
Rep. Mary Bentley (R-Perryville), sponsor of House Bill 1701 “TO ALLOW CREATIONISM AS A THEORY OF HOW THE EARTH CAME TO EXIST TO BE TAUGHT IN KINDERGARTEN THROUGH GRADE TWELVE CLASSES IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND OPEN–ENROLLMENT PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS,” said she put forth the bill at the request of science teachers in her district.
“There are phenomena in our nature that evolution cannot explain,” Bentley said. She emphasized that science teachers may teach creationism under this bill, but they don’t have to.
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Stupid beyond belief, but what's your opinion?
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Post #181Same.
That this nonsense is still pushed in 2021 is an embarrassment to the nation.
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Post #182[Replying to Bradskii in post #180]
Of course, I am a creationist because the Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth, and science says that the universe had to be created by a Creator God. The assumption in the current big bang theory is that there was no need for a God to create the heavens and the earth. Any theory origins that does not have a Creator God as one of the beginning assumptions is an atheistic theory by definition. Whether some "Christians" believe that or not is irrelevant.As I said, you were confused. Cosmology doesn't require either a belief in God or a disbelief. In that sense it is secular. Cosmology looks to understand the begining of and the evolution of the universe. There are many Christian cosmologists and no doubt a few atheist cosmologists as well. They do the same work - understanding the cosmos. The atheists will think it's entirely natural and needed no God. The Christians will think it couldn't have happened without Him (they're trying to understand how He did it).
Unless of course one is a creationist. In which case that person is going to have some trouble with cognitive dissonance. Good grief, you're not a creationist, are you?
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Post #183Baiting people here I see. That's a No, No you know. Might have to report you.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:06 pm [Replying to Bradskii in post #180]
Of course, I am a creationist because the Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth, and science says that the universe had to be created by a Creator God. The assumption in the current big bang theory is that there was no need for a God to create the heavens and the earth. Any theory origins that does not have a Creator God as one of the beginning assumptions is an atheistic theory by definition. Whether some "Christians" believe that or not is irrelevant.As I said, you were confused. Cosmology doesn't require either a belief in God or a disbelief. In that sense it is secular. Cosmology looks to understand the begining of and the evolution of the universe. There are many Christian cosmologists and no doubt a few atheist cosmologists as well. They do the same work - understanding the cosmos. The atheists will think it's entirely natural and needed no God. The Christians will think it couldn't have happened without Him (they're trying to understand how He did it).
Unless of course one is a creationist. In which case that person is going to have some trouble with cognitive dissonance. Good grief, you're not a creationist, are you?
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Post #184[Replying to Miles in post #183]
Like the string, I have right now "The absurdity of the universe without a Creator God"
What? Go ahead I have defended that position many, many times on this site.Baiting people here I see. That's a No, No you know. Might have to report you.
Like the string, I have right now "The absurdity of the universe without a Creator God"
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Post #185Okay, then present your evidence that "science says that the universe had to be created by a Creator God," because as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:22 pm [Replying to Miles in post #183]
What? Go ahead I have defended that position many, many times on this site.Baiting people here I see. That's a No, No you know. Might have to report you.
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Post #186[Replying to Miles in post #185]
Science doesn't state that the supernatural doesn't exist; it merely acknowledges that the supernatural lies outside its purview.as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.
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Post #187There's no such assumption in the theory. Feel free to point it out if you can find it. But don't waste your time. It's not there. What some people do is use the theory to make assumptions. Don't confuse the two. A theory that doesn't inlude God isn't an atheist theory. Otherwise all theories are atheist. Which is a nonsensical proposition.EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:06 pm [Replying to Bradskii in post #180]
Of course, I am a creationist because the Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth, and science says that the universe had to be created by a Creator God. The assumption in the current big bang theory is that there was no need for a God to create the heavens and the earth. Any theory origins that does not have a Creator God as one of the beginning assumptions is an atheistic theory by definition. Whether some "Christians" believe that or not is irrelevant.As I said, you were confused. Cosmology doesn't require either a belief in God or a disbelief. In that sense it is secular. Cosmology looks to understand the begining of and the evolution of the universe. There are many Christian cosmologists and no doubt a few atheist cosmologists as well. They do the same work - understanding the cosmos. The atheists will think it's entirely natural and needed no God. The Christians will think it couldn't have happened without Him (they're trying to understand how He did it).
Unless of course one is a creationist. In which case that person is going to have some trouble with cognitive dissonance. Good grief, you're not a creationist, are you?
And if by 'creationist' you mean you believe the planet is only 6,000 years old, then no wonder you are confused...
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Post #188Here ye one, and hear ye all!Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:58 pmThat was my point.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:06 pmI see you're well versed in tautological discourse.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:33 pm If you have no data on what underlies the existence of the universe, then you don't have all the data.
Now I gotta ask, what's your point?
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Post #189If you're implying that science acknowledges the supernatural, but either chooses not to delve into it or cannot do so, you're quite mistaken.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:56 pm [Replying to Miles in post #185]Science doesn't state that the supernatural doesn't exist; it merely acknowledges that the supernatural lies outside its purview.as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.
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Post #190Y'all're kinda both right.Miles wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:00 amIf you're implying that science acknowledges the supernatural, but either chooses not to delve into it or cannot do so, you're quite mistaken.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:56 pm [Replying to Miles in post #185]Science doesn't state that the supernatural doesn't exist; it merely acknowledges that the supernatural lies outside its purview.as a far as science is concerned the supernatural doesn't even exist.
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