William wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:51 pm
Emergent Theory [the brain creates the consciousness we each are] believes that the individual brain creates the individual consciousness and thus explains alternate experiences as "hallucinations" created by the brain for the consciousness to experience.
That in itself is a rather large presumption. But my comment was in regard to consciousness being 'like a ghost' as in - an immaterial thing...
Considering that we cannot acutely do anything normal with our bodies without consciousness being involved, then literally it is 'ghosts' [the immaterial thing] which is the thing required in order for normal actions to happen. This includes discovering mathematical process behind things which make up the Universe as well as mathematical inventions which help us to explain the Universe.
Your ideas are very intriguing, and I find them reasonable and rational at first glance, but unprovable.
I know we've discussed this before, but I'll say it anyway...
We only ever see consciousness as the product of a physical brain, so therefore it's more probable that consciousness ain't it from 'the ether', but from the physical. Sure, we can posit and propose, and speculate, and carry on, but ultimately I think your idea fails for at least the following reasons...
1. Provable physicality of consciousness
2. Unprovability of non-physical consciousness
3. (No slur here, I owe my friend to tell the truth) I propose, and think the data supports, that many (most?) humans use the god concept as a sort of placeholder for incomplete or missing data, or stuff that's just unknowable.
On the 1st'n there, I'll assert until challenged.
On the 2nd'n there, I propose that placing consciousness into realms we can't really explore would lead to the 'etherness' of the postulation, thus being unconfirmable as accurate, true, etc.
I exclude William from some of the following particulars, but here I go...
On that 3rd'n there, we see cultures develop differing god concepts, and can locate such to geographical / societal divisions. If only to me, this is highly indicative of a 'creative' answer to the unknowable. Then when we see, so often, anthropomorphic notions put upon a given god, well how bout that. I won't try to anticipate what errors in my thinking folks might submit, but want folks to know I do ponder em before I submit this post.
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Invention is using things discovered.
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.