I'm creating a new thread here to continue debate on a post made by EarthScience guy on another thread (Science and Religion > Artificial life: can it be created?, post 17). This post challenged probability calculations in an old Talkorigins article that I had linked in that thread:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html
Are the arguments (on creationist views) and probabilities presented reasonable in the Talkorigins article? If not, why not?
Abiogenesis and Probabilities
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Re: Abiogenesis and Probabilities
Post #342I think I get it...
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Post #343[Replying to DrNoGods in post #335]
My apologies, I agree with what you said. I will fade in the background now.How you got from that to your above quote is beyond me. My point was that the abortion debate has nothing to do with the physical development of a brain, because brain development proceeds independently of any religious (or otherwise) views humans may have on abortion. There are certainly many people who form opinions on when abortion may or may not be sensible (both under various circumstances, and gestation time), but physical brain development will occur regardless of those opinions. That was my point.
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Post #344Gotta respect a guy who can accept another's argument (that might go against his own - but I ain't saying that's what this is)EarthScienceguy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:33 pm [Replying to DrNoGods in post #335]
My apologies, I agree with what you said. I will fade in the background now.How you got from that to your above quote is beyond me. My point was that the abortion debate has nothing to do with the physical development of a brain, because brain development proceeds independently of any religious (or otherwise) views humans may have on abortion. There are certainly many people who form opinions on when abortion may or may not be sensible (both under various circumstances, and gestation time), but physical brain development will occur regardless of those opinions. That was my point.
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Re: Abiogenesis and Probabilities
Post #345[Replying to EarthScienceguy in post #344]
Thanks, and no problems ... I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't making comments on abortion itself, or the complicated issues surrounding that subject.My apologies, I agree with what you said. I will fade in the background now.
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Post #346[Replying to Noose001 in post #340]
Then I'll sign up to Difflugia's Humpty Dumpty analogy, because if standard word definitions (eg. for "aware") are thrown out the window there is no ability to debate things from a science perspective. I take it you'd define consciousness similarly and we'd all need your custom dictionary handy in order to translate things properly (ie. back into standard English).Yes, it's part of it and i like being different.
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Re: Abiogenesis and Probabilities
Post #347https://www.google.com/search?q=aware+m ... e&ie=UTF-8DrNoGods wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:05 pm [Replying to Noose001 in post #340]
Then I'll sign up to Difflugia's Humpty Dumpty analogy, because if standard word definitions (eg. for "aware") are thrown out the window there is no ability to debate things from a science perspective. I take it you'd define consciousness similarly and we'd all need your custom dictionary handy in order to translate things properly (ie. back into standard English).Yes, it's part of it and i like being different.
It seems you and @Difflugia are wrong.
Yes, bacteria (without a brain or nerves) are aware of the environment. This is just part of life.
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Re: Abiogenesis and Probabilities
Post #348In what way do bacteria demonstrate that they are aware of the environment? Please Note that simply responding to stimulus is not equivalent to awareness as per the definition you quoted.Noose001 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:06 am Yes, bacteria (without a brain or nerves) are aware of the environment. This is just part of life.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 143310.htm
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Post #349https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 143310.htmbrunumb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:46 amIn what way do bacteria demonstrate that they are aware of the environment? Please Note that simply responding to stimulus is not equivalent to awareness as per the definition you quoted.Noose001 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:06 am Yes, bacteria (without a brain or nerves) are aware of the environment. This is just part of life.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 143310.htm
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Re: Abiogenesis and Probabilities
Post #350Oh, dear. If you are going to reduce the discussion to absurdist theatre then it's time to move on. Enjoy the present. I will not exist, because I am in the past, or some nonsense like that. Now I just have to find an intelligent bacterium to engage in conversation.Noose001 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:07 amhttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 143310.htmbrunumb wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:46 amIn what way do bacteria demonstrate that they are aware of the environment? Please Note that simply responding to stimulus is not equivalent to awareness as per the definition you quoted.Noose001 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:06 am Yes, bacteria (without a brain or nerves) are aware of the environment. This is just part of life.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 143310.htm
"We see now that bacteria are, in their way, big thinkers, and by knowing how they 'feel' about the environment around them, we can look at new and different ways to work with them."
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