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The Big Bang And The First Atom

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I stumbled across the following video (≈ 17 min), which in animated form shows some of what science knows and doesn't know about the beginning of our universe and the formation of its elementary particles. As familiar with it as I am, I still found it pretty cool.


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How do you find it?

Think the singularity sitting there before Planck time at t=0s could be God?


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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:05 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:00 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:57 am
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:50 am
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:47 am
Where did you copy the graph from? can you disclose your source?
From my folder on my PC where I have a collection of information on different topics: from religion to science and so one.
Q: Why does it matter?

Its not invented:
Image
"https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Mar ... igure4.jpg"
Right so the image was copied and pasted and I am not a liar.
You said: "these huge copy/paste posts."
Its not huge copy/paste but a short resume and a pic. Ergo liar.
Its laughfable that you want to debate this irrelevant topic instead of talking about inflation.
Then laugh, I simply refuse to spend the time needed to respond to your huge lengthy rambling.

Nobody responded to this post of yours, ever wonder why?

viewtopic.php?p=1066659#p1066659
Q: So the theory of inflation proposed by Alan Guth is rambling?

You copy pasted here: post#466. Huge copy paste. Everything from this link:https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/alleg ... tes-meyer/
I responded to it.
I read it.

Q: The pot calling the kettle black?

You will do anything to avoid, obfuscate, ignore.
Its too long, has pictures, you copied some information.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:17 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:05 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:00 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:57 am
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:50 am
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:47 am
Where did you copy the graph from? can you disclose your source?
From my folder on my PC where I have a collection of information on different topics: from religion to science and so one.
Q: Why does it matter?

Its not invented:
Image
"https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Mar ... igure4.jpg"
Right so the image was copied and pasted and I am not a liar.
You said: "these huge copy/paste posts."
Its not huge copy/paste but a short resume and a pic. Ergo liar.
Its laughfable that you want to debate this irrelevant topic instead of talking about inflation.
Then laugh, I simply refuse to spend the time needed to respond to your huge lengthy rambling.

Nobody responded to this post of yours, ever wonder why?

viewtopic.php?p=1066659#p1066659
Q: So the theory of inflation proposed by Alan Guth is rambling?

You copy pasted here: post#466. Huge copy paste. Everything from this link:https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/alleg ... tes-meyer/
I responded to it.
I read it.

Q: The pot calling the kettle black?

You will do anything to avoid, obfuscate, ignore.
Its too long, has pictures, you copied some information.
I did copy paste a lengthy post, it was in response to your preceding lengthy post.

I have not avoided you, I've pointed out that for me - personally - your posts are too long, contain too many contentious claims that the only way to respond is to address each of them and I'm sorry but that is too time consuming for me (and many others too it seems).

I have not obfuscated.

I clearly have not ignored.

If you want to seriously debate with me then get a grip on the amount of words you need to use.

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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:25 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:17 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:05 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:00 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:57 am
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:50 am
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:47 am
Where did you copy the graph from? can you disclose your source?
From my folder on my PC where I have a collection of information on different topics: from religion to science and so one.
Q: Why does it matter?

Its not invented:
Image
"https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Mar ... igure4.jpg"
Right so the image was copied and pasted and I am not a liar.
You said: "these huge copy/paste posts."
Its not huge copy/paste but a short resume and a pic. Ergo liar.
Its laughfable that you want to debate this irrelevant topic instead of talking about inflation.
Then laugh, I simply refuse to spend the time needed to respond to your huge lengthy rambling.

Nobody responded to this post of yours, ever wonder why?

viewtopic.php?p=1066659#p1066659
Q: So the theory of inflation proposed by Alan Guth is rambling?

You copy pasted here: post#466. Huge copy paste. Everything from this link:https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/alleg ... tes-meyer/
I responded to it.
I read it.

Q: The pot calling the kettle black?

You will do anything to avoid, obfuscate, ignore.
Its too long, has pictures, you copied some information.
I did copy paste a lengthy post, it was in response to your preceding lengthy post.

I have not avoided you, I've pointed out that for me - personally - your posts are too long, contain too many contentious claims that the only way to respond is to address each of them and I'm sorry but that is too time consuming for me (and many others too it seems).

I have not obfuscated.

I clearly have not ignored.

If you want to seriously debate with me then get a grip on the amount of words you need to use.
Q: Why complain of lengthy posts, copy pasted information when you have done it your self?
Q: Golder rule of Jesus completely ignored huh?

Q: Want me to proved it you have avoided both lengthy posts and short posts, huh?
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:29 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:25 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:17 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:05 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:00 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:57 am
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:50 am
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:47 am
Where did you copy the graph from? can you disclose your source?
From my folder on my PC where I have a collection of information on different topics: from religion to science and so one.
Q: Why does it matter?

Its not invented:
Image
"https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Mar ... igure4.jpg"
Right so the image was copied and pasted and I am not a liar.
You said: "these huge copy/paste posts."
Its not huge copy/paste but a short resume and a pic. Ergo liar.
Its laughfable that you want to debate this irrelevant topic instead of talking about inflation.
Then laugh, I simply refuse to spend the time needed to respond to your huge lengthy rambling.

Nobody responded to this post of yours, ever wonder why?

viewtopic.php?p=1066659#p1066659
Q: So the theory of inflation proposed by Alan Guth is rambling?

You copy pasted here: post#466. Huge copy paste. Everything from this link:https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/alleg ... tes-meyer/
I responded to it.
I read it.

Q: The pot calling the kettle black?

You will do anything to avoid, obfuscate, ignore.
Its too long, has pictures, you copied some information.
I did copy paste a lengthy post, it was in response to your preceding lengthy post.

I have not avoided you, I've pointed out that for me - personally - your posts are too long, contain too many contentious claims that the only way to respond is to address each of them and I'm sorry but that is too time consuming for me (and many others too it seems).

I have not obfuscated.

I clearly have not ignored.

If you want to seriously debate with me then get a grip on the amount of words you need to use.
Q: Why complain of lengthy posts, copy pasted information when you have done it your self?
Q: Golder rule of Jesus completely ignored huh?

Q: Want me to proved it you have avoided both lengthy posts and short posts, huh?
I want nothing from you, lets drop this and move on, fair enough?

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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:33 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:29 pm

Q: Why complain of lengthy posts, copy pasted information when you have done it your self?
Q: Golder rule of Jesus completely ignored huh?

Q: Want me to proved it you have avoided both lengthy posts and short posts, huh?
I want nothing from you, lets drop this and move on, fair enough?
Off course you don't.
Will prove you wrong.
Everything you say its wrong.
I would give up debating.
Not for you.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:39 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:33 pm
alexxcJRO wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:29 pm

Q: Why complain of lengthy posts, copy pasted information when you have done it your self?
Q: Golder rule of Jesus completely ignored huh?

Q: Want me to proved it you have avoided both lengthy posts and short posts, huh?
I want nothing from you, lets drop this and move on, fair enough?
Off course you don't.
Will prove you wrong.
Everything you say its wrong.
I would give up debating.
Not for you.
Very well, let's take a look at the very first response to your very first post which was an attempt to start a thread:

I quote:
You're not going to get any responses with a post like this. It's way to cluttered. Try splitting up each question into a new post
Did you listen though? it seems not because you soon submitted a post that was 4,300 words long!

Then another one and another one and another one.

Culminating in this warning and even another warning.

But it goes on, a short time later another fantastically long post (3,800 words).

After some seven days the thread just dried up, people stopped participating, got bored, found better more interesting threads, at least threads that I start do see activity and healthy (mostly polite) disagreements, and they last a bit longer too.

So please step back and consider the length of your posts, the more words you say the less people will hear you.

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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:33 am Sorry but those are my terms, your posts are far too long, if that's the only way you can express yourself then we can't debate, most others here do not resort to these huge copy/paste posts.
Pot, meet kettle. When you quote an entire, long post unnecessarily, then your own post becomes far too long. Most others here do not resort to these huge copy/paste posts.
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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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[Replying to alexxcJRO in post #65]

May I ask you too. Please don't quote a long post unnecessarily as it just ends up as a very long page of unreadable stuff. If you must use the quote button, delete the unnecessary parts and just leave the bit you are referring to. It makes for more comfortable browsing. :ok:
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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:15 pm

Very well, let's take a look at the very first response to your very first post which was an attempt to start a thread:

I quote:
You're not going to get any responses with a post like this. It's way to cluttered. Try splitting up each question into a new post
Did you listen though? it seems not because you soon submitted a post that was 4,300 words long!

Then another one and another one and another one.

Culminating in this warning and even another warning.

But it goes on, a short time later another fantastically long post (3,800 words).

After some seven days the thread just dried up, people stopped participating, got bored, found better more interesting threads, at least threads that I start do see activity and healthy (mostly polite) disagreements, and they last a bit longer too.

So please step back and consider the length of your posts, the more words you say the less people will hear you.
That proves I had among my posts long posts. So what? I have both very long posts, long posts and short post.
Only showing the very long ones and ignoring the rest is distorting reality.

My question was: Q: Want me to proved it you have avoided both lengthy posts and short posts, huh? and not "Q: Want me to proved it I have not written lengthy posts?"

Here enjoy:

viewtopic.php?p=1063657#p1063657
Short replies to multiple quotes from you.
No response from you.
Crickets

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38875&start=190
Short reply.
No response from you.
Crickets.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38834&start=370
My post: “I have not.
But I guess you have read it.
Present the arguments then.”
After this Crickets.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38834&start=610
Two short posts.
Ignored twice.
Crickets.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38974&start=50
Asked me : “Well to answer these I must first ensure I establish exactly what it is that each terms represents, so may I ask can you supply the definitions for each of these, any definition will do even a made up one, but I do want to ensure as best I can that we are referring to identical things.

Once I have that I think I can take a stab at answering.”

I supplied with the definitions.
After that Crickets.

You complained and avoided to respond here(~500 words):
viewtopic.php?p=1067230#p1067230

Saying its too long while yourself have posted posts as long(~300 words and several pics which would basically add up in length as my post):
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38834&start=290

Here your post #271 has ~1900 words:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38834&start=270

Here another post from you, post#466 which has ~1600 words:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38834&start=460
Huge copy paste. Everything from this link: https://evolutionnews.org/2018/05/alleg ... tes-meyer/


In post # 284 you complained of me posting some pics together with my words:
Image
Then shortly later you used pics in trying to prove your point in post #293:
Image
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38834&start=290

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C : So your whole reason for dismissal is laughfable since you have done so yourself. Posted long posts, copy pasted information, posted pics to support your point.
Doing the thing your complaining about is not very Jesus like behaviour breaking the Golden Rule. "The pot calling the kettle black".
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"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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brunumb wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:20 pm [Replying to alexxcJRO in post #65]

May I ask you too. Please don't quote a long post unnecessarily as it just ends up as a very long page of unreadable stuff. If you must use the quote button, delete the unnecessary parts and just leave the bit you are referring to. It makes for more comfortable browsing. :ok:
I usually do what you are suggesting. Most time I put in my quotes only the last part.
Sometimes I respond from my phone while not being home.
So I just quote the thing. :P
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

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