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The Big Bang And The First Atom

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I stumbled across the following video (≈ 17 min), which in animated form shows some of what science knows and doesn't know about the beginning of our universe and the formation of its elementary particles. As familiar with it as I am, I still found it pretty cool.


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How do you find it?

Think the singularity sitting there before Planck time at t=0s could be God?


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This is a fascinating lecture on the origin of the universe, what we know and what we don't what we can infer and what we can't.



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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:43 pm Perhaps those people are willing to explain why they thanked you,
I did so cause it's a good post with pertinent information...
what you said that they approved of so much,
...derived from obvious understanding of the material.
one thing is clear, it was nothing to do with his book, which was the subject of my post.
Your inability to see the connection to the book is a condition you'll just hafta suffer.
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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:06 pm If I ignore a reply I will respond saying "Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41".
"If I ignore a reply, I understand the observer's apt to think I either can't refute it, or that I ignore anything and everthing that doesn't comport to my deeply held sacred beliefs."
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:39 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:06 pm If I ignore a reply I will respond saying "Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41".
"If I ignore a reply, I understand the observer's apt to think I either can't refute it, or that I ignore anything and everthing that doesn't comport to my deeply held sacred beliefs."
Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41

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Sherlock Holmes wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:40 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:39 pm
Sherlock Holmes wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:06 pm If I ignore a reply I will respond saying "Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41".
"If I ignore a reply, I understand the observer's apt to think I either can't refute it, or that I ignore anything and everthing that doesn't comport to my deeply held sacred beliefs."
Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41
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[Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #40]
Stop right there. Before you start to attack and kill a strawman, tell me please what it is exactly that you are arguing against? is it a statement somebody made?
You've posted many links to videos and books by people who have some agreement that the supernatural exists, or are against evolution, with the obvious inference that because these people are famous scientists or respected in their fields that what they have to say about these subjects is somehow correct. Referencing Barrow's book appears to be just another example of this.
How can your belief be scientifically tested do you think?
Do you seriously think life could arise and thrive on a planet where conditions were not compatible with it?
How did you prove that there is no reason? how do you know that there's no reason? surely you mean that you don't see a reason, yes? Just because you might not see a reason, a justification, does not logically amount to there being no such reason.
Not sure how to respond to this sort of gibberish.
Are you disagreeing with something Barrow has said or written? is this just the start of another ad-hominem attack?

What does the vacuous assertion "he never advanced anything mean"? what does that mean? could it be that you've misunderstood something here?
You've served up far more ad-hominems here than everyone else put together, by far, challengng someone's comprehension repeatedly, etc. If you're going to dish them out ...

Barrow supported the anthropic cosmological principle (wrote a book on it) and "fine tuning" is part of that concept. Fine tuning is an argument associated with a creator via the argument that the various physical constants have the values they do because intelligent life was somehow a plan. Stephen Jay Gould (a paleontologist), called the anthropic principle the latest manifestation of ''that age-old pitfall of western intellectual life - the representation of raw hope gussied up as rationalized reality." Stephen Hawkings described it as ''a counsel of despair.'' Barrow's approach to it was philosophiscal, not scientific, so he did not do anything to support the anthropic principle scientifically. That is not a "vacuous assertion" (another of your many thinly veiled ad-hominems).
And look! you've been "thanked" for your post - but why?
You'll have to ask them. You've made a large number of posts here in the S&R section, but it seems you've yet to convince anyone that your views on evolution or gods are correct. Why do you think that is?
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DrNoGods wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:31 pm [Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #40]
Stop right there. Before you start to attack and kill a strawman, tell me please what it is exactly that you are arguing against? is it a statement somebody made?
You've posted many links to videos and books by people who have some agreement that the supernatural exists, or are against evolution, with the obvious inference that because these people are famous scientists or respected in their fields that what they have to say about these subjects is somehow correct. Referencing Barrow's book appears to be just another example of this.
How can your belief be scientifically tested do you think?
Do you seriously think life could arise and thrive on a planet where conditions were not compatible with it?
How did you prove that there is no reason? how do you know that there's no reason? surely you mean that you don't see a reason, yes? Just because you might not see a reason, a justification, does not logically amount to there being no such reason.
Not sure how to respond to this sort of gibberish.
Are you disagreeing with something Barrow has said or written? is this just the start of another ad-hominem attack?

What does the vacuous assertion "he never advanced anything mean"? what does that mean? could it be that you've misunderstood something here?
You've served up far more ad-hominems here than everyone else put together, by far, challengng someone's comprehension repeatedly, etc. If you're doing to dish them out ...

Barrow supported the anthropic cosmological principle (wrote a book on it) and "fine tuning" is part of that concept. Fine tuning is an argument associated with a creator via the argument that the various physical constants have the values they do because intelligent life was somehow a plan. Stephen Jay Gould (a paleontologist), called the anthropic principle the latest manifestation of ''that age-old pitfall of western intellectual life - the representation of raw hope gussied up as rationalized reality." Stephen Hawkings described it as ''a counsel of despair.'' Barrow's approach to it was philosophiscal, not scientific, so he did not do anything to support the anthropic principle scientifically. That is not a "vacuous assertion" (another of your many thinly veiled ad-hominems).
And look! you've been "thanked" for your post - but why?
You'll have to ask them. You've made a large number of posts here in the S&R section, but it seems you've yet to convince anyone that your views on evolution or gods are correct. Why do you think that is?
Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41

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Re: The Big Bang And The First Atom

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[Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #48]
Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41
Brilliant response. But this does contain just as much information to support your arguments against evolution and the existence of god beings as any other response, so kudos for being brief I suppose.
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DrNoGods wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:41 pm [Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #48]
Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41
Brilliant response. But this does contain just as much information to support your arguments against evolution and the existence of god beings as any other response, so kudos for being brief I suppose.
Ignored for the reason I gave earlier in Post #41

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