A 6 Day Creation

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 961 here:

There is now more evidence than ever before about 6-day creation.

For debate:

Please offer evidence for a literal six day creation of the Universe.

Please remember that in this section of the site the Bible is not considered authoritative.

[JoeyKnothead]

Right that's all fair enough but think - science cannot show that the universe was not created six thousand years ago with inbuilt appearance of great age. If it was then our science would never reveal it to us, because we reason on the basis of uniformitarianism - an assumption.
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Not can science show a god exists to've done anything.

Nothing wrong with these assumptions either, but we must never lose sight of the facts that assumptions are not fundamental truths, this is why I always take issue with scientism and I see a lot of scientism in this forum.

Lol

scientism

That right there's when I know someone'll use the tools of science to go online and fuss about science.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #218]

Right that's all fair enough but think - science cannot show that the universe was not created six thousand years ago with inbuilt appearance of great age. If it was then our science would never reveal it to us, because we reason on the basis of uniformitarianism - an assumption.

And what other assumption is more reasonable to advance our understanding of nature and how it works? If god magic is allowed (what else could be responsible for an "inbuilt appearance of great age"?) then anything goes and there is no point in trying to explain nature via science and natural events. We may as well just give up on that and go back a few thousand years to attribute everything to the actions of deities and spend our time worshiping them and praying they don't punish up with another volcanic eruption or famine.

[Sherlock Holmes]

[Replying to Sherlock Holmes in post #218]

Right that's all fair enough but think - science cannot show that the universe was not created six thousand years ago with inbuilt appearance of great age. If it was then our science would never reveal it to us, because we reason on the basis of uniformitarianism - an assumption.

And what other assumption is more reasonable to advance our understanding of nature and how it works?

That's a matter of opinion I think. If assuming X benefits you more than assuming Y then you'll assume X, if assuming Y benefits me more than assuming X then I'll assume Y, it's all about the results, the utility, the benefits that one perceives.

For some the view that God did exactly that - created the universe a few thousands years ago - is more meaningful, has more value than assuming uniformitarianism - that's the reality, where there are alternative assumptions each one of will choose based on some measure we make of the benefit.

If God really did create the entire material realm, life, matter, laws and I accept that then surely it is I who has the more advanced understanding?

If god magic is allowed (what else could be responsible for an "inbuilt appearance of great age"?) then anything goes and there is no point in trying to explain nature via science and natural events. We may as well just give up on that and go back a few thousand years to attribute everything to the actions of deities and spend our time worshiping them and praying they don't punish up with another volcanic eruption or famine.

But there are people who do not see it as you describe. Firstly there is no deception or trickery on God's part. The Bible says plainly what God did and to believe it is billions of years old is your choice, you reject God and so use a different basis, it may appear very old but that's because you pay more credence to your way of perceiving reality than a Bible believing person. You interpret it as being ancient because the plain truth it is six thousand years ago is unpalatable.

I personally do not think the earth is young, but I fully respect many of those who do because I recognize that I do not have any more insight than they do, I recognize that everything I believe is based on assumptions not facts.

[Clownboat]

From Post 961 here:

There is now more evidence than ever before about 6-day creation.

For debate:

Please offer evidence for a literal six day creation of the Universe.

Please remember that in this section of the site the Bible is not considered authoritative.

If there is evidence for a creation and or creator, that is evidence for a creation the way He says it happened.

If I was a cat, the pretty thing'd feed me whether I did my chores or not.

If.

In the case of God's power in men's life there is no if. It does not matter if the cat is smart enough to realize where the pretty things came from.

What a meaningless, self serving religious platitude. Perhaps you would do better on a street corner hollering your views to all who can hear. This is a debate site and your unevidenced claims will be ignored for being what they are.

Perhaps try to make an actual argument. Like the 6 day creation event is likely true do to x, y and z. As it sits, you might as well be shouting Allahu Akbar at us. Just as meaningful as what you provided.

We will know them by their fruits.

[dad1]

Your problem here becomes showing you speak truth regarding the following...

1. God (if he exists) has power
2. God (if he exists) employs that power in the life of men

We have already observed repeatedly His power, and tested and repeated. Not in one lab or test tube but in millions, nay billions. That pathetic thing about it is that poor little science cannot even confirm or deny or test one single case of these!

[dad1]

What a meaningless, self serving religious platitude.

No more than observing lots of water going over Niagara Falls is some platitude. It is a meaningless religious claim to say either no water goes over, or that billions of people did not experience effects from the spiritual.

Perhaps you would do better on a street corner hollering your views to all who can hear. This is a debate site and your unevidenced claims will be ignored for being what they are.

People in denial have a choice on ignoring the truth they denied?

Perhaps try to make an actual argument.

You do that, rather than calling the overwhelmingly obvious and repeated and tested a 'platitude'!!

Like the 6 day creation event is likely true do to x, y and z.

It is absolutely certainly true due to Jesus rising from the dead. That was witnessed by many, and He appeared to over five hundred people after He rose from the dead. What is true also is that science has no possible comment on the issue and there is no possible science case against it.

We will know them by their fruits.

When the fruits are lies and misleading platitudes, I guess we do know a lot about various posters.

[JoeyKnothead]

Your problem here becomes showing you speak truth regarding the following...

1. God (if he exists) has power
2. God (if he exists) employs that power in the life of men

We have already observed repeatedly His power, and tested and repeated. Not in one lab or test tube but in millions, nay billions. That pathetic thing about it is that poor little science cannot even confirm or deny or test one single case of these!

Don't it beat all, the most reliable means of confirming god claims, and it can't.

Yours is an argument devoid of fact.

[dad1]

Your problem here becomes showing you speak truth regarding the following...

1. God (if he exists) has power
2. God (if he exists) employs that power in the life of men

We have already observed repeatedly His power, and tested and repeated. Not in one lab or test tube but in millions, nay billions. That pathetic thing about it is that poor little science cannot even confirm or deny or test one single case of these!

Don't it beat all, the most reliable means of confirming god claims, and it can't.

Yours is an argument devoid of fact.

Unless you have proof that billions of people are lying and have science to verify that you have no reliable claim or case or belief. Foot stomping does not make a science case.

[otseng]

What a meaningless, self serving religious platitude. Perhaps you would do better on a street corner hollering your views to all who can hear.

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[otseng]

[Replying to dad1 in post #226]

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