Please go vegan

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Compassionist
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Please go vegan

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I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?

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Re: Please go vegan

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Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?

I find nothing wrong with using animals for food when it comes to things like milk, eggs, etc so long as it's not factory farming.
I have cut out a lot of meat from my diet. But being from the midwest, where 'meat is king' in many places, it's hard to change.
But I'm trying to be more vegetarian, but I likely won't ever be vegan.

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Re: Please go vegan

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Menotu wrote:
Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?

I find nothing wrong with using animals for food when it comes to things like milk, eggs, etc so long as it's not factory farming.
I have cut out a lot of meat from my diet. But being from the midwest, where 'meat is king' in many places, it's hard to change.
But I'm trying to be more vegetarian, but I likely won't ever be vegan.
I understand your position. I don't force anyone to go vegan, I simply ask them to.

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Re: Please go vegan

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Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?
Plants are sentient in my opinion. Quite literally chilli is a response to make a plant less palatable, or thorns or spikes are another example.

Nothing living wants to get eaten.
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Re: Please go vegan

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Wootah wrote:
Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?
Plants are sentient in my opinion. Quite literally chilli is a response to make a plant less palatable, or thorns or spikes are another example.

Nothing living wants to get eaten.
Plants don't have a brain and a nervous system. How could plants be sentient? Plants are certainly alive. I would prefer to photosynthesise instead of eating anything but our technology is not advanced enough to genetically engineer all organisms to become photosynthetic.

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Re: Please go vegan

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Compassionist wrote:
Wootah wrote:
Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?
Plants are sentient in my opinion. Quite literally chilli is a response to make a plant less palatable, or thorns or spikes are another example.

Nothing living wants to get eaten.
Plants don't have a brain and a nervous system. How could plants be sentient? Plants are certainly alive. I would prefer to photosynthesise instead of eating anything but our technology is not advanced enough to genetically engineer all organisms to become photosynthetic.
However, plants do respond when they are attacked and eaten, and send signals to other nearby plants that prompt them to start their defenses as well.

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Re: Please go vegan

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Tiberius47 wrote:
Compassionist wrote:
Wootah wrote:
Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?
Plants are sentient in my opinion. Quite literally chilli is a response to make a plant less palatable, or thorns or spikes are another example.

Nothing living wants to get eaten.
Plants don't have a brain and a nervous system. How could plants be sentient? Plants are certainly alive. I would prefer to photosynthesise instead of eating anything but our technology is not advanced enough to genetically engineer all organisms to become photosynthetic.
However, plants do respond when they are attacked and eaten, and send signals to other nearby plants that prompt them to start their defenses as well.
That is true. If I ever manage to genetically engineer myself to become photosynthetic, I will stop eating plants. That's a promise.

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[Replying to post 1 by Compassionist]

I am glad you have found a cause, greater than yourself, to serve to your best ability. My suspicion is that such motivation is conducive to happiness. I am even more glad that it is an ethical cause, to be decided according to ethical criteria. If all of humanity argued for their ethics, well, I dare say the whole of humanity might be a good deal happier, and a good deal more ethical.

But I cannot join you in this particular ethical campaign, for the reasons I outlined on your other vegan thread.

Nevertheless, best wishes, 2RM.
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Re: Please go vegan

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Compassionist wrote:
Tiberius47 wrote:
Compassionist wrote:
Wootah wrote:
Compassionist wrote: I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?
Plants are sentient in my opinion. Quite literally chilli is a response to make a plant less palatable, or thorns or spikes are another example.

Nothing living wants to get eaten.
Plants don't have a brain and a nervous system. How could plants be sentient? Plants are certainly alive. I would prefer to photosynthesise instead of eating anything but our technology is not advanced enough to genetically engineer all organisms to become photosynthetic.
However, plants do respond when they are attacked and eaten, and send signals to other nearby plants that prompt them to start their defenses as well.
That is true. If I ever manage to genetically engineer myself to become photosynthetic, I will stop eating plants. That's a promise.
You need to genetically modify yourself to become what you are not in order to to escape what you are.
Seems unnatural to me personally.

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I have no issue with anyone being a vegan by the way.
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Re: Please go vegan

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Compassionist wrote:
I think that it is wrong to kill sentient beings and to cause them to suffer. Please go vegan. Thank you. Please see: https://www.carnismdebunked.com and https://www.adaptt.org/about/the-kill-counter.html

If you are not a vegan, why not?

Don't know if you're a Christian or not, but in considering Genesis 1:28 where god gives mankind the right to rule over various animals

Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created humans in his own image. He created them to be like himself.[h] He created them male and female. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Have many children. Fill the earth and take control of it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. Rule over every living thing that moves on the earth.�

I see no need to rule over these animals unless it's to use them as food. And having sanctioned the use of other animals for food I see no reason not to use them as such.

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