Abortion is not illegal. God oversees gov't.

[corky]

Romans 13 say's we are supposed to obey our government. Since abortion is not illegal, why do Christians have a problem with it?

[Donald]

It is the People who choose "our government". The Government is RULED by the People who voted for them into office. We can just as easily get them OUT of office if they do not SERVE THE PEOPLE who elected them. BTW, Election Day is 25 days away. Who will you voted for Governor?

Anyway, it just so happens that most people are still in favor of Roe Vs. Wade more than 41 years later. When enough religious people stand up and fight to end abortion (or legalized murder), then abortion will become illegal again. It is that simple. No one should stand for legalized murder of the fetus! Since when has any woman been given the authority to decide that the fetus (a life originated by GOD) in their womb should die to no fault of the fetus who was placed in the womb from irresponsible sex? If she did not want a child to bear, than don't have sex! It is that simple. If she does bear a child and does not want it, than give it up to adoption. There are other young couples out there who would love to raise her child.

That reminds me of "Wednesday's Child", an organization for children waiting for a home where a mother and a father can love and support them throughout their life. I find "Wednesday's Child" to be an ethical organization as opposed to "Planned Parenthood" who doesn't care much about a fetus in the womb. They only cater to women who want abortions while keeping the "benefits of sex" in play with their boyfriend. You can't have your cake and "kill" it because it was unplanned.

[Yahu]

Romans 13 say's we are supposed to obey our government. Since abortion is not illegal, why do Christians have a problem with it?

I would oppose any Christian having an abortion because it will bring down a curse for the shedding of innocent blood, an abomination to Yah but Yeshua declares that one of the curses on a Jezebel is the death of her children.

By all means allow the Jezebels to curse their own lives. Who are we to prevent the consequences falling on the wicked? Abortion is a curse upon those women that live an immoral life ordained by Yeshua.

Many Christians oppose abortion because it will bring down a curse upon the nation as a whole for allowing the practice. They don't want to live in a nation under Yah's punishment.

[Yahu]

[Replying to post 6 by Heretic Gal]

I agree not all government is equal. It is bait and switch because you went from talking about the topic "Abortion" into Political issues. If you want to talk politics there is a forum for that.

Your OP asked why Christians have a problem with abortion, since it's not illegal and the Bible says we are supposed to obey our government. How is it possible to respond to that without being "political"?

You are forgetting one thing. When a government goes against Yah's law, we are to obey His law. The scriptural example is Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. They refused to bow down to the golden image.

We do not have the right to force others to follow Yah's law but we must follow it or face the consequences.

[jerryxplu]

[Replying to post 1 by corky]

actually Satan is the ruler of this world so that would make the government minions of Satan.

Religion aside, abortion is a topic that people of same faith can disagree with. Not like there is a direct quote in the bible that goes THOU SHALL NOT HAVE ABORTION. hence there are not one christian denomination but thousands over time with different views on different things. Therefore you can't really say christian in general since Christians can't even make an agreement amongst themselves.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 1 by corky] Indeed. Why should Christians have a problem with abortion when the bible commands that all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28 Matt 5:17-19). Presumably this biblical commandment was to protect property rights and to ensure that all lines of inheritance are legitimate.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by corky] The bible commands that all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28 )

QUESTION: Does the bible command that all pregnancies from adultery be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28)?

ANSWER: No. Numbers 5 reads as following:

"When he [The Priest] makes her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and committed an act of unfaithfulness toward her husband, the water that brings a curse will then enter into her and become something bitter, and her abdomen will swell, and her thigh will fall away, and the woman will become an object of cursing among her people" - Num 5: 27

Firstly it should be noted that the said "swelling" and "falling away" is not presented as a result of any sexual encounter but as a RESULT of the drinking of the prepared "holy water". So the above procedure is not that of a woman already showing signs of pregnancy.

QUESTION: What then is the meaning of the "falling away" of her "thigh"?

In the bible the "thigh" is often used as a euphemism for the reproductive organs. For example, refering to Jacobs children Genesis 46:26 speaks of those "which came out of his loins" (ERV) literally his "thigh" ("issue out of the upper thigh" AKJV - compare Ex 1:5; Jg 8:30). So evidently, this "curse" refers NOT to the abortion of an unborn child conceived in adultery but to the "waste away" (CB), “shrink� (Da) or “shrivel� (Mo) of an adulteresses reproductive organs perhaps suggesting loss of fertility.

That the adulteress is not being cursed with an forced abortion is evident by how the effects are contrasted for an innocent woman falsely accursed, we read "However, if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will then be free from such punishment, and she will be able to conceive and produce offspring." (Num 5:28)

[mitty]

[Replying to post 1 by corky] The bible commands that all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28 )

QUESTION: Does the bible command that all pregnancies from adultery be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28)?

ANSWER: No. Numbers 5 reads as following:

"When he [The Priest] makes her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and committed an act of unfaithfulness toward her husband, the water that brings a curse will then enter into her and become something bitter, and her abdomen will swell, and her thigh will fall away, and the woman will become an object of cursing among her people" - Num 5: 27

Firstly it should be noted that the said "swelling" and "falling away" is not presented as a result of any sexual encounter but as a RESULT of the drinking of the prepared "holy water". So the above procedure is not that of a woman already showing signs of pregnancy.

QUESTION: What then is the meaning of the "falling away" of her "thigh"?

In the bible the "thigh" is often used as a euphemism for the reproductive organs. For example, refering to Jacobs children Genesis 46:26 speaks of those "which came out of his loins" (ERV) literally his "thigh" ("issue out of the upper thigh" AKJV - compare Ex 1:5; Jg 8:30). So evidently, this "curse" refers NOT to the abortion of an unborn child conceived in adultery but to the "waste away" (CB), “shrink� (Da) or “shrivel� (Mo) of an adulteresses reproductive organs perhaps suggesting loss of fertility.

That the adulteress is not being cursed with an forced abortion is evident by how the effects are contrasted for an innocent woman falsely accursed, we read "However, if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will then be free from such punishment, and she will be able to conceive and produce offspring." (Num 5:28)

Numbers 5:20-28 clearly describes how all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted by the use of abortifacients such as

[mitty]

[Replying to post 1 by corky] The bible commands that all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28 )

QUESTION: Does the bible command that all pregnancies from adultery be aborted (Numbers 5:20-28)?

ANSWER: No. Numbers 5 reads as following:

"When he [The Priest] makes her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and committed an act of unfaithfulness toward her husband, the water that brings a curse will then enter into her and become something bitter, and her abdomen will swell, and her thigh will fall away, and the woman will become an object of cursing among her people" - Num 5: 27

Firstly it should be noted that the said "swelling" and "falling away" is not presented as a result of any sexual encounter but as a RESULT of the drinking of the prepared "holy water". So the above procedure is not that of a woman already showing signs of pregnancy.

QUESTION: What then is the meaning of the "falling away" of her "thigh"?

In the bible the "thigh" is often used as a euphemism for the reproductive organs. For example, refering to Jacobs children Genesis 46:26 speaks of those "which came out of his loins" (ERV) literally his "thigh" ("issue out of the upper thigh" AKJV - compare Ex 1:5; Jg 8:30). So evidently, this "curse" refers NOT to the abortion of an unborn child conceived in adultery but to the "waste away" (CB), “shrink� (Da) or “shrivel� (Mo) of an adulteresses reproductive organs perhaps suggesting loss of fertility.

That the adulteress is not being cursed with an forced abortion is evident by how the effects are contrasted for an innocent woman falsely accursed, we read "However, if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will then be free from such punishment, and she will be able to conceive and produce offspring." (Num 5:28)

The commandment in Numbers 5:20-30 clearly describes how all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted by the use of abortifacients ("bitter water") such as pomegranate seeds or siliphium. If you believe otherwise then what is the fate of a pregnancy after a woman drinks "bitter water" made from mifepristone or misoprostal or siliphium? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortifacient And why wouldn't a male adulterer also be required to drink "bitter water" and say "so be it, so be it" and not just adulteresses if your hypothesis has any validity.

I hope this helps

[JehovahsWitness]

The commandment in Numbers 5:20-30 clearly describes how all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted

Well, no ... it does not, it doesn't even mention the word "pregnancy" or "with child" or give any indication at all that the woman is pregnant prior to the event. If it were "clear" such explicit expressions would be there. In the absence of this on can at most propose an possible interpretation.

The commandment in Numbers 5:20-30 clearly describes how all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted by the use of abortifacients ("bitter water") such as pomegranate seeds or siliphium.

Where does the bible narrative mention pomegranate seeds or siliphium ? Chapter and verse please.

JW

[mitty]

The commandment in Numbers 5:20-30 clearly describes how all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted

Well, not it does not, it doesn't even mention the word "pregnancy" or "with child" or give any indication at all that the woman is pregnant prior to the event. If it were "clear" such explicit expressions would be there. In the absence of this on can at most propose an possible interpretation.

The commandment in Numbers 5:20-30 clearly describes how all pregnancies from adultery must be aborted by the use of abortifacients ("bitter water") such as pomegranate seeds or siliphium.

Where does the bible narrative mention pomegranate seeds or siliphium ? Chapter and verse please.

JW

If you are really interested in making a "bitter water" abortifacient I suggest you ask the authors of that commandment how to make it, or ask your local rabbi since the meaning and purpose of that commandment is obvious.

Parallel Verses

New International Version
May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries." "'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

New Living Translation
Now may this water that brings the curse enter your body and cause your abdomen to swell and your womb to shrivel.' And the woman will be required to say, 'Yes, let it be so.'

English Standard Version
May this water that brings the curse pass into your bowels and make your womb swell and your thigh fall away.’ And the woman shall say, ‘Amen, Amen.’

New American Standard Bible
and this water that brings a curse shall go into your stomach, and make your abdomen swell and your thigh waste away." And the woman shall say, "Amen. Amen."

King James Bible
And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
May this water that brings a curse enter your stomach, causing your belly to swell and your thigh to shrivel.'" And the woman must reply, 'Amen, Amen.'"

International Standard Version
and this water that brings a curse enters your abdomen, making it swell and your thigh waste away.' "Then the woman is to say 'Amen.'

NET Bible
and this water that causes the curse will go into your stomach, and make your abdomen swell and your thigh rot." Then the woman must say, "Amen, amen."

GOD'S WORD® Translation
'May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!' "Then the woman will say, 'Amen, amen!'

JPS Tanakh 1917
and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, and make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to fall away'; and the woman shall say: 'Amen, Amen.'

New American Standard 1977
and this water that brings a curse shall go into your stomach, and make your abdomen swell and your thigh waste away.� And the woman shall say, “Amen. Amen.�

Jubilee Bible 2000
and this water that causes the curse shall go into thy bowels and cause thy belly to swell and thy thigh to fail. And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

King James 2000 Bible
And this water that causes the curse shall go into your bowels, to make your belly to swell, and your thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

American King James Version
And this water that causes the curse shall go into your bowels, to make your belly to swell, and your thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

American Standard Version
and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, and make thy body to swell, and thy thigh to fall away. And the woman shall say, Amen, Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let the cursed waters enter into thy belly, and may thy womb swell and thy thigh rot. And the woman shall answer, Amen, amen.

Darby Bible Translation
and this water that bringeth the curse shall enter into thy bowels, to make the belly to swell, and the thigh to shrink. And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

English Revised Version
and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, and make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to fall away: and the woman shall say, Amen, Amen.

Webster's Bible Translation
And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to perish. And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

World English Bible
and this water that brings a curse will go into your bowels, and make your body swell, and your thigh fall away." The woman shall say, "Amen, Amen."

Young's Literal Translation
and these waters which cause the curse have gone into thy bowels, to cause the belly to swell, and the thigh to fall; and the woman hath said, Amen, Amen.