A moral question about rape

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A moral question about rape

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I'm not sure if this is quite the right subforum for this, but I'm taking a guess that it is.

Assault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.

Question for moral debate:

Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene, is someone who denies emergency contraception to the victim of a rape acting as an accessory to that rape?

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Re: A moral question about rape

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Athetotheist wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:26 pm I'm not sure if this is quite the right subforum for this, but I'm taking a guess that it is.

Assault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.
Care to explain how this and this can happen when the assailant has left the scene?


Question for moral debate:

Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene, is someone who denies emergency contraception to the victim of a rape acting as an accessory to that rape?
Waiting for an answer for my question above.


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Re: A moral question about rape

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Miles wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:46 am
Athetotheist wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:26 pmAssault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.
Care to explain how this and this can happen when the assailant has left the scene?
Do you actually need this explained in graphic detail?

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Re: A moral question about rape

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Athetotheist wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:47 am
Miles wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:46 am
Athetotheist wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:26 pmAssault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.
Care to explain how this and this can happen when the assailant has left the scene?
Do you actually need this explained in graphic detail?
No, just explain it. How can any assault continue to take place after the assailant has left?


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Re: A moral question about rape

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Miles wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:24 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:47 am
Miles wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:46 am
Athetotheist wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:26 pmAssault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.
Care to explain how this and this can happen when the assailant has left the scene?
Do you actually need this explained in graphic detail?
No, just explain it. How can any assault continue to take place after the assailant has left?


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Let's put it this way: Suppose you're hiking in the mountains and you stumble onto a rattlesnake. The snake bites you and then crawls off through the underbrush. Does the snake's departure mean that what it left in you will have no effect?

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Re: A moral question about rape

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Athetotheist wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:37 pm
Miles wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:24 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:47 am
Miles wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:46 am
Athetotheist wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:26 pmAssault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.
Care to explain how this and this can happen when the assailant has left the scene?
Do you actually need this explained in graphic detail?
No, just explain it. How can any assault continue to take place after the assailant has left?


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Let's put it this way: Suppose you're hiking in the mountains and you stumble onto a rattlesnake. The snake bites you and then crawls off through the underbrush. Does the snake's departure mean that what it left in you will have no effect?
OH! you didn't mean the "the assault continues" but that there were.. a f t e r ...e f f e c t s... For the "assault to continue" in a rape situation the assailant would have to still be forcing himself on the victim. After the actual assault stops the rape has ended.

Here, maybe the definition will help you out.

RAPE noun (1)
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1 : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception
Source: Merriam Webster Dictionary

After the activity (the assault) stops, the assault no longer exists. To claim other wise would be like whining that some someone is beating you up because your nose still hurts a half hour after you got punched in the face, and your assailant has long left.


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Miles wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:16 amAfter the activity (the assault) stops, the assault no longer exists. To claim other wise would be like whining that some someone is beating you up because your nose still hurts a half hour after you got punched in the face, and your assailant has long left.


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If the assault of rape stops when the activity stops, then the assault definitely goes on after the assailant leaves because what the assailant leaves in the victim is still active. If a terrorist sets the timer on a bomb and then leaves the scene, is the attack no longer being carried out?

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Re: A moral question about rape

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Athetotheist wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:25 am
Miles wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:16 amAfter the activity (the assault) stops, the assault no longer exists. To claim other wise would be like whining that some someone is beating you up because your nose still hurts a half hour after you got punched in the face, and your assailant has long left.


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If the assault of rape stops when the activity stops, then the assault definitely goes on after the assailant leaves because what the assailant leaves in the victim is still active. If a terrorist sets the timer on a bomb and then leaves the scene, is the attack no longer being carried out?
As soon as the bomb detonates (the physical raping is over) the attack is no longer being carried out. It no longer exists. Obviously you have a very warped concept of the words "attack" and "assault." I suggest you look them up in a dictionary and pay careful attention to their definitions.


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Re: A moral question about rape

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Miles wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:34 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:25 am
Miles wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:16 amAfter the activity (the assault) stops, the assault no longer exists. To claim other wise would be like whining that some someone is beating you up because your nose still hurts a half hour after you got punched in the face, and your assailant has long left.


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If the assault of rape stops when the activity stops, then the assault definitely goes on after the assailant leaves because what the assailant leaves in the victim is still active. If a terrorist sets the timer on a bomb and then leaves the scene, is the attack no longer being carried out?
As soon as the bomb detonates (the physical raping is over) the attack is no longer being carried out. It no longer exists. Obviously you have a very warped concept of the words "attack" and "assault." I suggest you look them up in a dictionary and pay careful attention to their definitions.


Have a good day.


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The physical attack is only the first detonation. It sets the timer on the second, which goes off later......unless emergency contraception is available.

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Re: A moral question about rape

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[Replying to Athetotheist in post #1]

Why do you see the child produced (if one is) as an assault?

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