I'm not sure if this is quite the right subforum for this, but I'm taking a guess that it is.
Assault is a violent move against someone. Rape takes assault to another level because, in the case of rape, the assault continues even when the assailant is no longer present; the victim's body is still being invaded.
Question for moral debate:
Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene, is someone who denies emergency contraception to the victim of a rape acting as an accessory to that rape?
A moral question about rape
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #41[Replying to Athetotheist in post #41]
Yes I do see that. My focus is on the first part of the QFD;If you look back at my OP, you'll see that I was raising the issue of emergency contraception.
In what way are you meaning the assault "continues even after the assailant leaves the scene" ?Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene,
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #42Think about the purpose of emergency contraception and the answer will come to you.William wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:33 pm [Replying to Athetotheist in post #41]Yes I do see that. My focus is on the first part of the QFD;If you look back at my OP, you'll see that I was raising the issue of emergency contraception.
In what way are you meaning the assault "continues even after the assailant leaves the scene" ?Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene,
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #43Okay - I did that, but 'the answer' has not come to me.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:55 amThink about the purpose of emergency contraception and the answer will come to you.William wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:33 pm [Replying to Athetotheist in post #41]Yes I do see that. My focus is on the first part of the QFD;If you look back at my OP, you'll see that I was raising the issue of emergency contraception.
In what way are you meaning the assault "continues even after the assailant leaves the scene" ?Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene,
Perhaps if you just give me the answer yourself?
Why do you write that the assault continues even after the assailant leaves the scene?
Are you suggesting that the raped woman who seeks out a pill to increase her chances of not becoming pregnant from the assault, is an assailant against the natural process of impregnation?
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #44The rapist forces the "natural process of impregnation" on her. Are you suggesting that human life begins before conception?William wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:56 amOkay - I did that, but 'the answer' has not come to me.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:55 amThink about the purpose of emergency contraception and the answer will come to you.William wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:33 pm [Replying to Athetotheist in post #41]Yes I do see that. My focus is on the first part of the QFD;If you look back at my OP, you'll see that I was raising the issue of emergency contraception.
In what way are you meaning the assault "continues even after the assailant leaves the scene" ?Given that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene,
Perhaps if you just give me the answer yourself?
Why do you write that the assault continues even after the assailant leaves the scene?
Are you suggesting that the raped woman who seeks out a pill to increase her chances of not becoming pregnant from the assault, is an assailant against the natural process of impregnation?
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #45[Replying to Athetotheist in post #45]
Are you able to answer my question as to why you wrote that the assault continues even after the assailant leaves the scene?
As I pointed out in prior posts - the statement implies that the newly forming embryo [which natural forms into a fetus which can then be born] is an ongoing assault and I see no rational reason for this being true.
I can understand why some rape victims might see it that way and abort the process, but as I mentioned in my first post, there are also rape victims who do not see it that way and thus it is not a 'given' that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene.
At what point does the process stop being an 'ongoing assault' for rape victims who choose to be the incubators of an embryo created, taken to full term, given birth to?
Yes - I have not said otherwise.The rapist forces the "natural process of impregnation" on her.
No. Why do you ask?Are you suggesting that human life begins before conception?
Are you able to answer my question as to why you wrote that the assault continues even after the assailant leaves the scene?
As I pointed out in prior posts - the statement implies that the newly forming embryo [which natural forms into a fetus which can then be born] is an ongoing assault and I see no rational reason for this being true.
I can understand why some rape victims might see it that way and abort the process, but as I mentioned in my first post, there are also rape victims who do not see it that way and thus it is not a 'given' that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene.
At what point does the process stop being an 'ongoing assault' for rape victims who choose to be the incubators of an embryo created, taken to full term, given birth to?
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #46You seem to be implying that I'm conflating what is conceived with the forced conception. I am not, but no choice of the woman makes it right for the assailant to have forced her to make that choice in the first place.William wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:45 am [Replying to Athetotheist in post #45]
Yes - I have not said otherwise.The rapist forces the "natural process of impregnation" on her.
No. Why do you ask?Are you suggesting that human life begins before conception?
Are you able to answer my question as to why you wrote that the assault continues even after the assailant leaves the scene?
As I pointed out in prior posts - the statement implies that the newly forming embryo [which natural forms into a fetus which can then be born] is an ongoing assault and I see no rational reason for this being true.
I can understand why some rape victims might see it that way and abort the process, but as I mentioned in my first post, there are also rape victims who do not see it that way and thus it is not a 'given' that rape is a type of assault which continues even after the assailant leaves the scene.
At what point does the process stop being an 'ongoing assault' for rape victims who choose to be the incubators of an embryo created, taken to full term, given birth to?
Let me turn the tables: if a rape victim chooses not to be impregnated and seeks emergency contraception, how is the assault not continuing until she gets it?
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Re: A moral question about rape
Post #47[Replying to Athetotheist in post #47]
The act of rape we agree, is forced. The result [conception] of the act is natural, and needn't be confused with being a continuation of the act of assault. My argument is that is is not a given as the OPQ implies as a premise.
I don't see that you are not. There is no difference between "conceived" and "conceived". The only difference is in how the conception took place.You seem to be implying that I'm conflating what is conceived with the forced conception. I am not
The act of rape we agree, is forced. The result [conception] of the act is natural, and needn't be confused with being a continuation of the act of assault. My argument is that is is not a given as the OPQ implies as a premise.
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Post #48[Replying to William in post #48]
There is a difference between that which is conceived and the impetus of the conception.There is no difference between "conceived" and "conceived".
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Post #49Please explain further.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:36 pm [Replying to William in post #48]There is a difference between that which is conceived and the impetus of the conception.There is no difference between "conceived" and "conceived".
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Post #50I've spent this entire thread explaining.William wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:35 pmPlease explain further.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:36 pm [Replying to William in post #48]There is a difference between that which is conceived and the impetus of the conception.There is no difference between "conceived" and "conceived".
Are you suggesting that the victim of a brutal, dehumanizing sexual assault who chooses not to conceive should be required to conceive anyway because someone else holds "the natural process of impregnation" in such high regard?