Blasphemous "How-To" Book

[TwentyOneSix]

A recently published book has come to my attention and I feel it is necessary to warn my fellow Christians about literature's newest strike against religion. The author purports to make religion into a hobby that anyone can do, and goes as far as to insinuate using scrap materials out of one's garage to build pagan idols for worship! These people sit around drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes and doing lord knows what else, they put some words on paper and think they're good enough to be the lord himself! What's worse, the misguided and ignorant masses blind to the guiding light of god are buying into this filth! This book not only insults Christianity, but the entire concept of religion itself!

This is why we shouldn't teach public school children to read and write; the liberal public school system indoctrinates them into a hollywood-controlled and godless society by strictly enforcing atheism on them, and then our tax dollars teach these pitiful brainwashed kids how to commit travesties like this! If we could only limit the teaching of literacy to good, law-abiding, religious, private school children then things like this wouldn't happen.

Here's a link in case anyone doesn't believe me:

[lgolos]

I'm almost certain that the original poster is leading you all on. I wouldn't even believe him if he told me he was being serious.

[TwentyOneSix]

Indeed. Like the part where Lot gets drunk (isn't that bad?) and has sex with both his daughters.(outside of marriage of course)

They took advantage of him as he slept, and were justly eliminated for such a travesty. The bible is nor pornography, the twisted machinations of your filthy sinful mind cannot change that.

You would really love computer games wouldn't you?

Video games are worse than television and rock music put together; they're a how-to guide for amoral lifestyles. Video games specifically target young children and teach them how to buy drugs, handle weapons, and kill without remorse. I full support the outright banning of all "electronic media", until you hollywood types can learn to enjoy something aside from violence and pornography.

now, I'd like to clarify, that the vast majority of fiction media which shows such things as you disprove of, show people being punished for them. Usually the only ones to go unpunished for killing and such are the good guys - who are opposing the people doing the evil things.

And the "good guys" are usually dangerous criminals opposing "oppressive" law enforcement officials. The mainstream media encourages illegal behavior, dangerous sexuality, drug abuse, and other aspects of a sinful and destructive lifestyle. That you would defend this pornography is proof that you've been brainwashed by hollywood's debauchery.

What on earth?
I don't hear of children killing each other imitating video games and movies very often. Maybe racing movies - the fast and the furious or something - but those aren't the ones you're objecting to.

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/st ... lshoot.htm

This link will take you to a timeline chronicling several bloody massacres where misled children thought it would be "cool" to act out their video games at school. I'm sure you've at least heard of the Columbine shooting, in which two boys who had been warped by a computer game called "Doom" went on a bloody rampage at school in an attempt to re-enact a scene from their video game.

and I suppose you believe that the Muslims have the right idea about how women should dress?

While I can't bring myself to tolerate their worship of the devil-god "Allah" or their violence towards the Christian world, I must say that the Muslims are at least correct in not over-sexualizing women. Hollywood has turned good Christian girls into prostitutes by obliterating their values and encouraging a lifestyle of skimpy outfits and promiscuous sex.

In short; yes, I would agree that coating a woman from head to toe with cloth and allowing her to have her purity is a far sight better than brain-washing her into a sex slave.

This is obviously absurd. The laws on murder are not going to 'relax' and the media doesn't actually depict mass murder and genocide as perfectly fine.

What about action movies where the "hero" kills several hundred people and is not in any way punished? Or horror movies depicting most disgusting and disturbing atrocities where the unseen villain is never brought to justice? I prefer good, Christian literature where all who reject the word of god are damned to eternal hellfire for their sins. You would instead live in a world where people kill indiscriminately, do drugs and have sex without worry for punishment, this is what Hollywood says is a god life.

I've looked through a microscope and seen cells. What was I looking at?

You were looking at cells. God made your body, eyeing the individual pieces and giving them names does not make that any less true. Whatever science calls them, they are the building blocks from which god makes us, and he makes us all unique yet at the same time in his image.

Hmm. since from the atheistic perspective, Christianity is harmful, they should try to lead people away from it right?

Atheism is hardly a "perspective", it's a dangerous rejection of the truth of god and for the sake of your immortal soul I urge you to shake off the oppressive dazzle of hollywood's special effects.

that would only be doing what they see as the best course of action.
peaceful stuff hasn't seemed to work so well - I bet if we passed laws to torture all suspected christians people would immediately start deconverting into the more healthy atheism - it would only be the best course of action as atheists see it.

now, that what you just said is acceptable. torture is blatantly wrong, and atheists would never pass or enforce such laws - it takes religious zealotry to do that.

Atheists don't pass and enforce laws, they don't hold significant world power and rightly so. America is so strong because it's a Christian nation. Hollywood has done its damnedest to weaken that foundation, but it has stood strong. Other lesser nations around the world are based on false religions, but they exist because they are based on a religion.

A nation founded on atheism cannot stand; atheists have no moral fiber and thus such a nation would have no laws. It would be less a country, and more full on anarchy where people could freely act out their violent video games and sadistic horror movies. Even a country based on devil worship would have more structure than your suggestion of a large-scale riot based around rejection.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

This is why we shouldn't teach public school children to read and write; the liberal public school system indoctrinates them into a hollywood-controlled and godless society by strictly enforcing atheism on them, and then our tax dollars teach these pitiful brainwashed kids how to commit travesties like this! If we could only limit the teaching of literacy to good, law-abiding, religious, private school children then things like this wouldn't happen.

Only among the religious do I ever hear that teaching children to read and write is a bad thing.

[FinalEnigma]

Indeed. Like the part where Lot gets drunk (isn't that bad?) and has sex with both his daughters.(outside of marriage of course)

They took advantage of him as he slept, and were justly eliminated for such a travesty. The bible is nor pornography, the twisted machinations of your filthy sinful mind cannot change that.

That's not what the bible says. The bible says he got drunk. is it even possible to have sex while asleep?

You would really love computer games wouldn't you?

Video games are worse than television and rock music put together; they're a how-to guide for amoral lifestyles. Video games specifically target young children and teach them how to buy drugs, handle weapons, and kill without remorse. I full support the outright banning of all "electronic media", until you hollywood types can learn to enjoy something aside from violence and pornography.

might I point out that you actually have no idea what you're talking about, since you don't play video games.
They don't teach you how to handle weapons at all - I've played shooting games, and I've also handled real live weapons. its nothing remotely similar.
and, despite playing more than my share of video games, I don't know where to get drugs either(nor would I want to).

and such anti game people as yourself will still need to explain my brother. he plays as many games as I do, and is a pacifist.

now, I'd like to clarify, that the vast majority of fiction media which shows such things as you disprove of, show people being punished for them. Usually the only ones to go unpunished for killing and such are the good guys - who are opposing the people doing the evil things.

And the "good guys" are usually dangerous criminals opposing "oppressive" law enforcement officials. The mainstream media encourages illegal behavior, dangerous sexuality, drug abuse, and other aspects of a sinful and destructive lifestyle. That you would defend this pornography is proof that you've been brainwashed by hollywood's debauchery.

looking at the cd rack of games behind me...in two of them, you actually oppose the government. once as a rebel faction representing the people, and in none of them do you oppose the law. that's out of about 50 of my 280 or so games. it is not that often that you play as a dangerous criminal, or as somebody who is morally wrong.

What on earth?
I don't hear of children killing each other imitating video games and movies very often. Maybe racing movies - the fast and the furious or something - but those aren't the ones you're objecting to.

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/st ... lshoot.htm

This link will take you to a timeline chronicling several bloody massacres where misled children thought it would be "cool" to act out their video games at school. I'm sure you've at least heard of the Columbine shooting, in which two boys who had been warped by a computer game called "Doom" went on a bloody rampage at school in an attempt to re-enact a scene from their video game.

This is blatant absurdity. Columbine was about a bunch of kids who had been badly bullied and abused by other students and snapped. It wasn't about re-enacting a video game. and actually, it was probably doom 2 they played rather than doom. doom 2 by the way(all the doom games), is about killing aliens, not high school students. If somebody actually made a realistic game where you shoot up a high school, I could see your objection. But that game couldn't be made - the public outcry would obliterate it.

and I suppose you believe that the Muslims have the right idea about how women should dress?

While I can't bring myself to tolerate their worship of the devil-god "Allah" or their violence towards the Christian world, I must say that the Muslims are at least correct in not over-sexualizing women. Hollywood has turned good Christian girls into prostitutes by obliterating their values and encouraging a lifestyle of skimpy outfits and promiscuous sex.

In short; yes, I would agree that coating a woman from head to toe with cloth and allowing her to have her purity is a far sight better than brain-washing her into a sex slave.

I have a bit more respect for women than you do. I don't imagine that they will suddenly become sex slaves because of mass media(and by the way, you know the only reason mass media tends toward sex and violence? people want it to begin with. mass media is actually a lot like evolution - what gets ratings survives and spawns similar successors. what doesn't dies). Women chose their path. some women are very sexual, some are not - this would be true regardless of television.

This is obviously absurd. The laws on murder are not going to 'relax' and the media doesn't actually depict mass murder and genocide as perfectly fine.

What about action movies where the "hero" kills several hundred people and is not in any way punished?

I don't watch action movies anymore, but I assume you are referring to something like Rambo? or True Lies? usually when killing that many people in movies, its terrorists. killing enemies of your country has always been acceptable.

Or horror movies depicting most disgusting and disturbing atrocities where the unseen villain is never brought to justice?

Saw?
I would think you would like such movies - they're so disturbing and disgusting, they will drive people away.

I prefer good, Christian literature where all who reject the word of god are damned to eternal hellfire for their sins. You would instead live in a world where people kill indiscriminately, do drugs and have sex without worry for punishment, this is what Hollywood says is a god life.

actually, no, I wouldn't want to live in any such place. and I can think of many movies where hollywood romanticizes peace and family as the hero's desire - such as the movie Gladiator. He spent the entire movie trying to get away from violence and killing.

Hmm. since from the atheistic perspective, Christianity is harmful, they should try to lead people away from it right?

Atheism is hardly a "perspective", it's a dangerous rejection of the truth of god and for the sake of your immortal soul I urge you to shake off the oppressive dazzle of hollywood's special effects.

Not even a perspective? really? well, we don't have to worry about them then.

by the way, I'm not an atheist

that would only be doing what they see as the best course of action.
peaceful stuff hasn't seemed to work so well - I bet if we passed laws to torture all suspected christians people would immediately start deconverting into the more healthy atheism - it would only be the best course of action as atheists see it.

now, that what you just said is acceptable. torture is blatantly wrong, and atheists would never pass or enforce such laws - it takes religious zealotry to do that.

Atheists don't pass and enforce laws, they don't hold significant world power and rightly so. America is so strong because it's a Christian nation. Hollywood has done its damnedest to weaken that foundation, but it has stood strong. Other lesser nations around the world are based on false religions, but they exist because they are based on a religion.

A nation founded on atheism cannot stand;

Japan is primarily atheistic, so is Sweden, if I recall. and I like how your only objection to atheists passing anti-christian laws is that they don't have enough power.

atheists have no moral fiber and thus such a nation would have no laws. It would be less a country, and more full on anarchy where people could freely act out their violent video games and sadistic horror movies. Even a country based on devil worship would have more structure than your suggestion of a large-scale riot based around rejection.

this...is just fail. a country based on humanism would have a stronger base than a devil worshiping country. especially since such countries tend to have lots of devils and fight each other over them. further, what is your definition of a good country? Because America fails on a lot of criteria.

[Scotracer]

Hmm. since from the atheistic perspective, Christianity is harmful, they should try to lead people away from it right?

Atheism is hardly a "perspective", it's a dangerous rejection of the truth of god and for the sake of your immortal soul I urge you to shake off the oppressive dazzle of hollywood's special effects.

You do realise that if you want to be immoral it actually makes more sense to be a Christian since you can just ask for forgiveness and get away with anything you do, Scott-free? So a pro-tip to anyone reading this: If you want to use drugs, sleep around and kill people but want that clear conscience that god is on your side, become a Christian!

I'm one of those devil worshippers you talk about. In fact, I must be the epitome of evil: a bisexual atheistic liberal who adores video games and gets drunk every so often. I can feel the horns growing as I type this.

that would only be doing what they see as the best course of action.
peaceful stuff hasn't seemed to work so well - I bet if we passed laws to torture all suspected christians people would immediately start deconverting into the more healthy atheism - it would only be the best course of action as atheists see it.

now, that what you just said is acceptable. torture is blatantly wrong, and atheists would never pass or enforce such laws - it takes religious zealotry to do that.

Atheists don't pass and enforce laws, they don't hold significant world power and rightly so. America is so strong because it's a Christian nation. Hollywood has done its damnedest to weaken that foundation, but it has stood strong. Other lesser nations around the world are based on false religions, but they exist because they are based on a religion.

A nation founded on atheism cannot stand; atheists have no moral fiber and thus such a nation would have no laws. It would be less a country, and more full on anarchy where people could freely act out their violent video games and sadistic horror movies. Even a country based on devil worship would have more structure than your suggestion of a large-scale riot based around rejection.

Yeah, America is so strong because it's a Christian nation. It's got nothing to do with rampant natural resources and a secular governmental foundation. What happens when China overtakes the US for world's largest power? Particularly when they have a large percentage of atheists. Or what about Japan, one of the strongest and the single most technologically advanced nation on earth with the healthiest citizens: majority are atheist. Bang goes the theory?

Oh and if you think killing an unruly teenager is bad or evil then you don't get your morality from the bible. And don't use the "it doesn't apply any more" card, that doesn't hold any water: if at any point something was okay then not okay at another, you don't have an objective morality.

[Chuck_G]

After reading through this thread it occured to me that maybe we have one of the non-theist regular members posting with an alias just for fun. Then I thought
maybe I would check the date of the OP thinking it would certainly be April 1st. Nope.

Not knowing what Poe's Law was I googled it, decided on Urban Dictionary, and here is an excerpt;

Urban Dictionary wrote:

The following is an actual Internet post to Biblically defend a flat Earth:

"All I was saying was that either the earth is flat, and the bible is correct, or the earth is round, and the bible is incorect, i'm going to study the issue more and deside for myself which route I want to take. Either Atheist evolutionist, who agrees with all of mainstream sciences, or flat earth litteral bible believer.
I'm leaning toward being an atheist, because if I can't believe the bible to be completly litteraly true, then I can't believe Jesus when he speaks about heaven, etc..
That would make the moon landing a fake, and pretty much all of modern science false..."

I laughed so hard I was crying and it took me a few minutes to calm down enough to explain to my girlfriend what tickled.

TwentyOneSix.....Cmon man, your playing us aint ya?

[Metatron]

TwentyOneSix.....Cmon man, your playing us aint ya?

I sincerely hope so since the opinions expressed here by TwentyOneSix are pretty incredible.

If I may summarize some of these, we have:

- Believes that public school children should not be taught to read and write.

- Believes that literature (aside from the Bible and Christian books) is an affront to Christian morality.

- Would support a ban on all electronic media because it spreads the evil propaganda of Hollywood and video game designers.

- Looks back upon the Middle Ages as the good old days.

- Thinks genocidal crusades against believers in other religions is justified in order to unify nations under Christianity.

- Appears to disbelieve in most science (including apparently a disbelief in the existence of Earth's atmosphere!)

- Discounts the usefulness of medicine apparently because illness is a punishment from God and attempting to cure someone is an attempt to thwart the will of God.

- Apparently supports the imposition of the burqa upon women so that no part of their body will be visible. Naturally, concepts like sexual freedom, birth control, etc. would be right out.


I have to say that if you could simply substitute the name Allah for Jesus, the Taliban would welcome you into the fold with open arms.


If I have mischaracterized any of your view above, please feel free to correct me. If this is in fact an elaborate farce, congratulations, it is very convincing.

[TwentyOneSix]

They don't teach you how to handle weapons at all - I've played shooting games, and I've also handled real live weapons.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Your shooting games make weapons of murder look "cool" so you go and try them for real. It's only a matter of time before you're trying them out on real people.

and such anti game people as yourself will still need to explain my brother. he plays as many games as I do, and is a pacifist.

He's a pacifist until he can justify crime as not involving real people the way he does in his games.

it is not that often that you play as a dangerous criminal, or as somebody who is morally wrong.

Grand Theft Auto, The Godfather, Trigger Man, Hitman, and Saint's Row are just a few popular murder simulators that force you to the wrong side of the law in a life-like depiction of America's streets.

This is blatant absurdity. Columbine was about a bunch of kids who had been badly bullied and abused by other students and snapped. It wasn't about re-enacting a video game.

Before electronic media began putting ideas in their heads, kids never went into school with machine guns and assault weapons.

and actually, it was probably doom 2 they played rather than doom. doom 2 by the way(all the doom games), is about killing aliens, not high school students.

Yes and all they had to do was pretend their classmates were aliens so they could feel justified in their slaughter.

If somebody actually made a realistic game where you shoot up a high school, I could see your objection. But that game couldn't be made - the public outcry would obliterate it.

Quite the contrary; Rockstar's "Bully" is a murder simulator where you play the role of an abused child who has to take revenge on his classmates for calling him names, using machine guns and rocket launchers and driving over them with cars. I've also heard it contains scenes of explicit homosexual behavior, and that the ESRB gave it a 'T' rating to expose younger players to the gay lifestyle.

I have a bit more respect for women than you do.

I find that doubtful, as you defend their objectification.

Japan is primarily atheistic, so is Sweden, if I recall. and I like how your only objection to atheists passing anti-christian laws is that they don't have enough power.

Both are minor nations compared to America, and I predict they won't last another 10 years with all of their rampant sinfulness. Japan sells the undergarments of young girls in vending machines and Sweden encourages disgusting and illegal relations with animals, it's only a matter of time before such behavior leads to either anarchy or a new crusade and a righteous purging of the wicked.

further, what is your definition of a good country? Because America fails on a lot of criteria.

To a "gamer" like you, maybe, but you say that having been exposed to the anti-American sentiments of game developers. America is the single greatest nation in the world, and no other backwards country even comes close. Our only failing is that we let freedom of religion and freedom of speech warp our youth by exposing them to the devil's tricks.

You do realise that if you want to be immoral it actually makes more sense to be a Christian since you can just ask for forgiveness and get away with anything you do, Scott-free? So a pro-tip to anyone reading this: If you want to use drugs, sleep around and kill people but want that clear conscience that god is on your side, become a Christian!

You're referring to the modern incarnation of Catholicism, which is one of the devil's greatest tricks.

TwentyOneSix.....Cmon man, your playing us aint ya?

No I am not, but I'm glad you find the proliferation of satan in today's youth culture so very entertaining. Oh it'll be a laugh riot when your children go to hell, won't it Chuck?

If I may summarize some of these, we have:

- Believes that public school children should not be taught to read and write.

- Believes that literature (aside from the Bible and Christian books) is an affront to Christian morality.

- Would support a ban on all electronic media because it spreads the evil propaganda of Hollywood and video game designers.

- Looks back upon the Middle Ages as the good old days.

- Thinks genocidal crusades against believers in other religions is justified in order to unify nations under Christianity.

- Appears to disbelieve in most science (including apparently a disbelief in the existence of Earth's atmosphere!)

- Discounts the usefulness of medicine apparently because illness is a punishment from God and attempting to cure someone is an attempt to thwart the will of God.

- Apparently supports the imposition of the burqa upon women so that no part of their body will be visible. Naturally, concepts like sexual freedom, birth control, etc. would be right out.


If I have mischaracterized any of your view above, please feel free to correct me. If this is in fact an elaborate farce, congratulations, it is very convincing.

You've got it

I have to say that if you could simply substitute the name Allah for Jesus, the Taliban would welcome you into the fold with open arms.

I hardly see how my views fall anywhere close to those of violent terrorists who worship an ancient demonic spirit.

[Scotracer]

They don't teach you how to handle weapons at all - I've played shooting games, and I've also handled real live weapons.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Your shooting games make weapons of murder look "cool" so you go and try them for real. It's only a matter of time before you're trying them out on real people.

Even though this is a reply to FinalEnigma, I thought I'd add my own opinions in on the debate...if that's okay.

and such anti game people as yourself will still need to explain my brother. he plays as many games as I do, and is a pacifist.

He's a pacifist until he can justify crime as not involving real people the way he does in his games.[/quote]

Since you believe humans are made in gods image, god must be pretty rubbish if people can be so easily led astray by virtual violence and hedonism.

it is not that often that you play as a dangerous criminal, or as somebody who is morally wrong.

Grand Theft Auto, The Godfather, Trigger Man, Hitman, and Saint's Row are just a few popular murder simulators that force you to the wrong side of the law in a life-like depiction of America's streets.

"force"? Don't like it: don't play it.

Also, it's quite interesting you know the titles of those games, particularly the last one.

This is blatant absurdity. Columbine was about a bunch of kids who had been badly bullied and abused by other students and snapped. It wasn't about re-enacting a video game.

Before electronic media began putting ideas in their heads, kids never went into school with machine guns and assault weapons.[/quote]

How do you explain the Charles Whitman case then? That happened long before video gaming...or the Olean High School shooting that happened before any "murder simulators" existed. Oh and it's interesting, isn't it, that the vast majority of these shootings have happened in US schools, which according to yourself is the greatest nation on earth.

and actually, it was probably doom 2 they played rather than doom. doom 2 by the way(all the doom games), is about killing aliens, not high school students.

Yes and all they had to do was pretend their classmates were aliens so they could feel justified in their slaughter.

And all kids have to do after reading the bible is convince themselves that everyone else is a sinner worthy of death and hey presto, you've got gods justice right there.

If somebody actually made a realistic game where you shoot up a high school, I could see your objection. But that game couldn't be made - the public outcry would obliterate it.

Quite the contrary; Rockstar's "Bully" is a murder simulator where you play the role of an abused child who has to take revenge on his classmates for calling him names, using machine guns and rocket launchers and driving over them with cars. I've also heard it contains scenes of explicit homosexual behavior, and that the ESRB gave it a 'T' rating to expose younger players to the gay lifestyle.

And "exposing" children to a perfectly innocent part of society is bad, how? Are you afraid they'll "turn gay" or something?

I have a bit more respect for women than you do.

I find that doubtful, as you defend their objectification.

The very fact you are happy with mandating what they should be allowed to wear immediately implies that you feel they are lesser than men. You have VERY little respect for women. I respect women enough to let them make their own informed choices in life. In fact, I don't know any women who are "objectified" but that's probably because I'm highly educated and associate with similar people. Somehow I doubt you do the same.

Japan is primarily atheistic, so is Sweden, if I recall. and I like how your only objection to atheists passing anti-christian laws is that they don't have enough power.

Both are minor nations compared to America, and I predict they won't last another 10 years with all of their rampant sinfulness. Japan sells the undergarments of young girls in vending machines and Sweden encourages disgusting and illegal relations with animals, it's only a matter of time before such behavior leads to either anarchy or a new crusade and a righteous purging of the wicked.

Japan is a minor nation?! Are you freakin' KIDDING me? It's an industrial powerhouse and without it your first world lifestyle just wouldn't be the same. Japan is a major power and will be for a long time to come.

further, what is your definition of a good country? Because America fails on a lot of criteria.

To a "gamer" like you, maybe, but you say that having been exposed to the anti-American sentiments of game developers. America is the single greatest nation in the world, and no other backwards country even comes close. Our only failing is that we let freedom of religion and freedom of speech warp our youth by exposing them to the devil's tricks.

Well thanks for calling my nation, which created yours, backward. I can see you have your patriotism blinkers on. I always find it interesting how people who are strongly religious tend to be a) poorly educated (your responses to scientific posts were...erm, telling) b) strongly patriotic and c) prone to conspiracy theory acceptance. Maybe there's some neurological blanket to place over all them. Or maybe that's a conspiracy too.

You do realise that if you want to be immoral it actually makes more sense to be a Christian since you can just ask for forgiveness and get away with anything you do, Scott-free? So a pro-tip to anyone reading this: If you want to use drugs, sleep around and kill people but want that clear conscience that god is on your side, become a Christian!

You're referring to the modern incarnation of Catholicism, which is one of the devil's greatest tricks.

Actually, your friend Jesus did say that all you need to do is believe in him and all else is forgiven. So, go rape and pillage to your little heart's content!

[FinalEnigma]

They don't teach you how to handle weapons at all - I've played shooting games, and I've also handled real live weapons.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Your shooting games make weapons of murder look "cool" so you go and try them for real. It's only a matter of time before you're trying them out on real people.

your argument fails. I handled real live weapons when I joined the army to serve my country.

Despite having experience with weapons, I'm one of the least violent people you could meet.

and by the way, when I was in the army, a lot more of the people out there playing with weapons were farmers and jocks than video gamers.

and such anti game people as yourself will still need to explain my brother. he plays as many games as I do, and is a pacifist.

He's a pacifist until he can justify crime as not involving real people the way he does in his games.

I'd like to see you prove that one. He won't even kill a bug. For that matter, neither will I.

it is not that often that you play as a dangerous criminal, or as somebody who is morally wrong.

Grand Theft Auto, The Godfather, Trigger Man, Hitman, and Saint's Row are just a few popular murder simulators that force you to the wrong side of the law in a life-like depiction of America's streets.

out of how many games on the market? That's what you're missing. the very vast majority of video games place you on the right side of the law. What about rainbow six, where you play as an elite swat team and fight terror plots against the US. is that bad?

And you know, I don't own a single one of those games you listed.

and yes, I admit there will be a correlation between people who play violent games and people who snap and harm others - but you've got it backwards. playing games to help you deal with stress is something people do - at times as opposed to harming real people. when someone is bullied at school, they can come home and kill people online, taunt them about it, and feel better, rather than trying to get back at the bullies and making things worse.

but that's not the only reason people play violent games. I play them mainly becasue I like to compete with people, and I'm very good at them. I'm not very likely to go out and harm someone. everyone I know would attest to that.

This is blatant absurdity. Columbine was about a bunch of kids who had been badly bullied and abused by other students and snapped. It wasn't about re-enacting a video game.

Before electronic media began putting ideas in their heads, kids never went into school with machine guns and assault weapons.

actually, you're full of it. there are school shooting back to 1902, using pistols, sniper rifles, and all manner of weapons.

the first fps was released to mass distribution in 1983.

and actually, it was probably doom 2 they played rather than doom. doom 2 by the way(all the doom games), is about killing aliens, not high school students.

Yes and all they had to do was pretend their classmates were aliens so they could feel justified in their slaughter.

pretend their classmates were aliens? they weren't 6.

If somebody actually made a realistic game where you shoot up a high school, I could see your objection. But that game couldn't be made - the public outcry would obliterate it.

Quite the contrary; Rockstar's "Bully" is a murder simulator where you play the role of an abused child who has to take revenge on his classmates for calling him names, using machine guns and rocket launchers and driving over them with cars. I've also heard it contains scenes of explicit homosexual behavior, and that the ESRB gave it a 'T' rating to expose younger players to the gay lifestyle.

Wow. I admit, I'd never thought such would exist. I certainly never heard of it.

Now let me know how that a) teaches you to do it.

and b )when someone actually does that.


you're missing the point here. People don't shoot up schools becasue a game told them to. They do it becasue they are not mentally stable, or have been driven past the breaking point.

I have a bit more respect for women than you do.

I find that doubtful, as you defend their objectification.

I'm not the one who thinks all women can be brainwashed by mass media. I defend their ability to choose what they want, and I defend an approach that affords them the respect to choose their own path.

you believe that seeing sex in a movie will make them sex slaves.

Japan is primarily atheistic, so is Sweden, if I recall. and I like how your only objection to atheists passing anti-christian laws is that they don't have enough power.

Both are minor nations compared to America, and I predict they won't last another 10 years with all of their rampant sinfulness. Japan sells the undergarments of young girls in vending machines and Sweden encourages disgusting and illegal relations with animals, it's only a matter of time before such behavior leads to either anarchy or a new crusade and a righteous purging of the wicked.

Care to show evidence for the Sweden accusation? I'm aware of the undergarment vending machines in Japan, but so what? is that worse than selling them in a store?

further, what is your definition of a good country? Because America fails on a lot of criteria.

To a "gamer" like you, maybe, but you say that having been exposed to the anti-American sentiments of game developers. America is the single greatest nation in the world, and no other backwards country even comes close. Our only failing is that we let freedom of religion and freedom of speech warp our youth by exposing them to the devil's tricks.

I'm not precisely a gamer. I play games, they do not define me.

or am I a hiker, too? and a runner, and a swimmer, and a nature-lover, and a reader, and a programmer, and a singer, and a writer, and 50 billion other things?

categories in which the US fails:
a) environmental concerns.
b) crime rates that are higher than any other country in the world (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_t ... tal-crimes)
c) we are the only industrialized country where the income gap is growing. the poor are getting poorer. the rich are getting richer. in every other industrialized country, they are growing closer.
d) Japan especially, and many other countries, are vastly outstripping us on education.
e) our health care system is terrible. Both Canada and England's are superior, for example.
f) many other countries(including Sweden) are far more progressive than the US, promoting human rights over corporate interests, where we fail.

if Japan is wallowing in sinfulness, why is our crime rate 5 times higher than theirs?
if Sweden is wallowing in sinfulness, why are they more progressive and more supportive of human rights than us?