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Post by bluethread »

I just saw Whiplash. It got a 95% on the tomatometer and viewer reviews. Though it may have been well acted, I found the story to morally bankrupt. The whole idea that cruelty is justified because it can result in higher quality is a canard, IMO. Even if cruelty and psychological abuse did result in higher quality on occasion, the damage done in those cases, not to mention the damage done by those who use this as an excuse to be cruel regardless of quality, more than outweighs any qualitative gains.

The question for debate, does the pursuit of excellence justify cruelty?

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No it does not. JT Simmons' Cruelty is not justified in that movie. Nor would it be tolerated in real life.

I saw it too. As a drummer and a fan of JT Simmons, I had to. Plus I also saw the rave reviews. I was also disappointed in the movie. The main problem I had with it was one of incredulity. An highly reputed and elite music academy like Julliard would never allow an instructor to treat his students like that. It's absurd.

If the guy were just some music teach, a private tutor or a record company excec, and A & R guy or something, it might be possible. But not at a music academy or college. The mindset of the board and faculty at those places is very liberal. They would never condone such an ass.

That being said. The drumming was excellent. I read some background on the making of the film. The bleeding hands were real. The main actor (sorry, forgot his name) really DID have to practice about 8 hours a day.
A funny side note: that actor was not rally a drummer, but the kid who played the second fiddle, whom JT Simmons replaced as top drummer with the main kid, well that guy was the real professional on the set and taught the protagonist kid most of his lessons.

And those intense and amazingly fast drum solos were real. But they had to take little 10 and 20 second bursts of drumming and splice those together to create the idea of a full solo. Since i reality the actors could not sustain that speed (I counted 1/128th notes!) for longer than several seconds.

LOL...."Not quite my tempo"

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