My Ideology

[Scrotum]

For the fun of it, i thought i would give you the basis of my Utopia. This is just a rough sketch, and im not intending to go into how to get there, rather how it would be, if we would be there.


Utopia 5.0 (epsilon)

My World would consist of a one world government, with Western Europe (Including Scandinavia, exluding South-Westet such as Spain, and total exclusion of Eastern States), and Part of North America such as United States Exluding the so called ´Bible Belt´, and Canada. Australia and the Oceania area that is westernized, and Japan, South Korea.

Of course there are other areas to, but the rest would either be used as dumps or decimated.


The world population would be set to a suitable number around 500 million to 1 billion, as this gives the opportunity to give everyone equal chances and worth, and no one will suffer.


The population would either have been temporarily sterilized, or permanently depending on situation. The government would be in control of birthing and raising the children making sure they will not get such dieases such as Diabetes, Polio and similar.

To prevent a plauge such as religion to enter their mind, only proper education will be applied and a ´abortion´ system will be active up to 25 years old, as if they would start believing in things that do not exist (such as God), they would be either terminated, or sent to a camp of some sort (perhaps an Island?), where they wil lget editional education, and if they continue showing ignorance (religion or similar) they will be marked as annulled, and terminated (we do not have the possibility to make them well).


Everyone is equal in the society, except that proper education has made them aware that everyone is not equal mentally, but only ´physically´.

The government consists of the Elite (most intelligent). And could be either One man, or several. I was thinking a system such as a rotating ´Democracy´, where we have a 100 of the true elite, getting exchanged each 6 months with new. Each ´member´ already have a job, there is no difference between them and none governmental, except they have the capacity do make choices to improve the society.

If someone from the lower class (less intelligent or considered less ´worth´ in society) wants to make a conribution he is welcome to go wave it for the government. For example he thinks he has a system that could improve the World (Nation), and he only needs to show how it would work, and why it would be better. If it would, it would be implemented.

The same goes for everything, if someone have an invetion they think will improve the life and quality in someway, anyone is open to show in what way, and if it would, it would taken into production.


Money would not exist obviously, we truly need no money. As everything is ´owned´ by everyone, everything goes around, only difference is, no one has more then anyone else, or rather, no one has anything they dont need. Everyone has a healthy life, and is getting all opportune to become more intelligent and evolve all the time.


So, anything you think is bad about this sketch?

[Scrotum]

To bad the U.S does´nt have the same policies as Canada, would be a lovely country if they did.

The U.S. isn't perfect. But, I think you have an overly negative image of my country. Many people genuinely sought to make the world a better place by fighting tyranny and bring democracy to the world. Sure, there's those who take it too far and are not sensitive to other cultures like GWB, but I think it is better to err on the side of destroying tyranny than to err on the side of doing nothing. (That's not to say that I agree with current U.S. policies, which I do not.) I'm just saying that the U.S. is no fool and has pursued a world that is better for the world. I know you don't agree with that, but that's why we mostly disagree about so much.

Then your fooling yourself Harv. The U.S policies have only been for the best of themselves. United States government have never done anything for anyone else, if it has not benefited them.


But my point was, that Canda is what the United States could have been. And if the U.S would follow a more openminded policy and seriously sought for a peaceful world like the EU, it would be much better. But the last 100 years od indoctrinated false propaganda is very hard to change, as you can see by your own view. I spoken to americans whom actually have been intelligent, but as soon as anything about their own country (negative critique) they become very aggressive.

To make a very clear simile so you understand what i mean, If we would have an intelligent american which you talk about obviously there is no proof for any God or gods, and its silly with all these theist running around, and then point ou tha the earth is a sphere, he becomes angry saying NO, its not, its FLAT (because thats what the american view is, and its never wrong). ITs like that, if you get my point(?).


IF the U.S cared about a peaceful and clean world like the EU nations, it would be great. But even be similar to Canada would help a lot. Education education education is all i have to say, Its all that is needed. If the american people got educated about the world, and saw the rest of the world instead of their tiny whole, it would help a great deal. But that will never happen. Education is Evil, and i susepct Creationism will have a larger impact then improved education in the States.

[harvey1]

IF the U.S cared about a peaceful and clean world like the EU nations, it would be great. But even be similar to Canada would help a lot. Education education education is all i have to say, Its all that is needed. If the american people got educated about the world, and saw the rest of the world instead of their tiny whole, it would help a great deal. But that will never happen. Education is Evil, and i susepct Creationism will have a larger impact then improved education in the States.

So, you aren't thankful that the United States joined the war to stop Hitler? You would rather be living under Hitler's children right now? How about the Soviet Union, are you disappointed that they didn't invade Europe; you wished that you could be working for the Soviet government who would give you your "fair" earnings?

C'mon Scrot, you're smarter than that. You know that Sweden would have been no match for those armies. You have freedom and democracy in your country, and that's because there was a pretty big kid on the block who would have kicked the azz of anyone who tried to take it from you.

[McCulloch]

IF the U.S cared about a peaceful and clean world like the EU nations, it would be great. But even be similar to Canada would help a lot. Education education education is all i have to say, Its all that is needed. If the american people got educated about the world, and saw the rest of the world instead of their tiny whole, it would help a great deal. But that will never happen. Education is Evil, and i susepct Creationism will have a larger impact then improved education in the States.

So, you aren't thankful that the United States joined the war to stop Hitler? [...]

I believe that Scrot said that if the USA were more like Canada ... Canada declared war on Germany in September 1939. Germany and Italy have announced they are at war with the United States in December 1941. America immediately responded by declaring war on the two Axis powers.

[Bugmaster]

For example, at one time cities were not a popular idea, but now the idea has sort of caught on.

That's actually not true....cities were invented (well, they were built, anyway), and they were there to stay. Even the Black Death didn't destroy cities permanently.

Sometimes I think you disagree just to disagree. #-o

Well... this is a debate forum, isn't it ? :-)

But I never post anything that I don't actually believe to be true -- unless I'm playing Devil's Advocate (as in our infinite-regress thread, for example), in which case I clearly state so at the beginning.

[harvey1]

Canada declared war on Germany in September 1939.

Hmm... What a coincidence since Great Britain (a commonwealth ally) went to war in 1939.

Germany and Italy have announced they are at war with the United States in December 1941. America immediately responded by declaring war on the two Axis powers.

That's true. However, the U.S. and Germany had already been in conflict as early as October when the U.S. destroyer Reuben James was sunk by a U-562 submarine by the Germans.

In any case, the U.S. didn't have to put as much emphasis in fighting the Germans. They could have put those troops, aircraft, and battleships to the Pacific. I think this shows how much the U.S. was involved in support of the Allies in Europe given the fact that it wasn't really their war. They had already been severly attacked in the Pacific.

[Suzanne]

Everyone is happy
Everyone is safe
Everyone has shelter
Everyone has food
Everyone has the opportunity to evolve
Everyone ad-infinitive

Sounds great doesn't it.

I believe that WE have already bee PROMISED to have ALL OUR NEEDS MET.. WE all as HUMANS FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN BEINGS . NEED WATER, FOOD, SHELTER, GOD PROVIDES THESE MATERIALLY FOR US..
FOR US TO BE HAPPY and BE SAFE??? HE CAN PROVIDE THAT ALSO.

AND BECAUSE HE DOES ALL THIS I can LOVE MY GOD . BECAUSE WITHOUT all OF THESE I could not have the LIFE I AM NOW LIVING. THERE is SOME things THIS GOD cannot give me in this LIFE OF FLESH and BLOOD BEING THE WOMAN HUMAN BEING I AM. I ALREADY KNOW MY CREATOR HEAVENLY FATHER LOVES ME. HE LOVED ME right from the beginning. BECAUSE I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT HE KNEW ME before I was IN the WOMB of my mother . IF I do not believe this then HOW can I then believe any other word that has been already written within that BOOK WE CALL the HOLY BIBLE ...???? I do not believe just because of that VERSE I believe because of many things that have been Written within the pages of that book . along with what I have had happen in my lifetime while here.

ONE thing the father in Heaven cannot do. GIVE me that PHYSICAL TENDER TOUCH of a mans arm upon my shoulder and the warmth of His body on a cold winter night andKNOWING that that man loves me just as much as my daddy loved me, and Me being a woman be able to love that man as much as his mother loved him. FOR every man and woman that have known this love knows what GOD'S LOVE IS. TO many do not have that kind of love to give and to many know not how to give it either.. where do you suppose our earthly daddy's and mother's have learned to LOVE US.. because they had been loved by parents that loved them. YET THE LOVE THAT WAS FIRST TO BE GIVEN???????? comes from whom and where.. and how... KNOWING HOW TO SAY.. "I love you" many can say that .. YET SOME have no idea how to show the the truth of their love for that woman or man.. and it really is more about TRUTH in LOVE then it is about just having SEX within that relationship. FOR MEN MOST often it is all about sex. and no heart feelings. for a woman it is less about the sexual act and more about HEART TENDERNESS AND A REAL LOVE FROM THAT HEART GIVEN. and only GOD'S LOVE REALIZED can GIVEN IN THAT WAY..

I ONCE told someone that had asked what is LOVE..

THIS was my answer . Love is loving someone more then yourself.. I would add to this. doing all you can to make them happy content and have a peace within.

If a man and a woman can ever care and love each other more then themselves.. THEN THAT MAN AND woman CAN HAVE A MARRIAGE THAT IS what all would HOPE FOR AND FEW ever REALIZE LET ALONE HAVE IT in this life.

No marriage is perfect yet if LOVE OF GOD and LOVE FOR EACH OTHER is PRESENT then what could ever be wrong with it that anything that would come against it could be defeated.. all because with GOD !!! all things are possible..

I DID not get this by just listening to words from a preacher ya know,,, NO I got it from READING SCRIPTURES SEEING THE WORLD AND WHAT IS IN IT. and LIVING almost 66 years and 16 years of that being raised by two people that really did love each other but also had a love for each other to also be able to understand one another .. and understand each others needs and meeting those needs in the best and anyway they could.. MY FAITH began with a word To this day I do not know what that word was but it came from a man in my grandmothers church that had to have spoke the WORD OUT OF THE HOLY BIBLE. I WAS only 4 or 5 but a word I did hear and it has made all the difference in who I am this day along with just the LIVING WE DO in this world THAT GOD HAS AFTER ALL GIVEN HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST THAT WE MIGHT HAVE LIFE and have it abundently .. MEN LOOK FOR RICHES in money and when they get it they spend it not on what it is given for. LOVE OF MONEY IS EVIL not money.. I have heard people all my life people say "MONEY is the ROOT of all EVIL."

I GREW UP AS many have BELIEVING that this was a truth.. BUT THIS IS A LIE!!!!!! I have in the last ten years realized how terrible this lie is for it is believed by people that ARE IGNORANT of the truth of what GOD ALMIGHTY has said. FEED the HUNGRY, CLOTHE the NAKED, GIVE SHELTER to the HOMELESS. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.. THIS IS THE FAST I HAVE CHOSEN..

HOW can anyone FEED the HUNGRY IF they have no MONEY TO BUY THEM FOOD.. CLOTHES FOR THE ONES WITHOUT, and BUILD HOUSES FOR THE HOMELESS. IN THIS LIFE ALL THAT TAKES MONEY.. TO MANY LOVE THEIR MONEY BUT DO NOT WANT TO GIVE ANY OF IT TO HELP ANOTHER ..

WHAT WOULD NEW ORLEANS BE DOING IF IT WERE NOT for those that have MONEY TO SHARE AND GIVE AND BUY AND BUILD AND LOVE TO GIVE???? BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT WAS THERE.. THERE WERE SOME FROM THE CHURCHES THERE> JUST PLAIN PEOPLE THAT HAD MONEY TO BE THERE AND LOVE TO BE THERE>> AND THEY ARE STILL THEE> MAY I DARE SAY IT???

CHRISTIANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD . NAMELY SAMARITANS PURSE,
PEOPLE from 700 Club, and their blessing trucks also.. and ONE OR TWO SHIPS that have been docked before the hurricane LOADED WITH HELP FOOD WATER AND OTHER SUPPLY'S that would have been needed.. hit across from THE CITY. BY a BIG WAREHOUSE that became headquarters for all the workers. I did not see much about these on the NETWORK NEWS but I did see all the COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHAT WAS NOT BEING DONE!!!!! WHY is this??? because GOD AND HIS WORD AND HIS people ae not POPULAR AND NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT FOR MANY MANY PEOPLE. I do not understand people that want bad news over GOOD NEWS !!!!!!! and PEOPLE THAT WOULD RATHER bring people down then RAISE THEM UP .. CALLED EDIFYING EACH OTHER.. WICKED EVIL UNGODLY PEOPLE IT IS TRUE THEY COME TO STEAL KILL AND DESTROY..

I HAVE NEVER HAD TO FIGHT EVIL AND WICKEDNESS as I HAVE HAD TO FIGHT HERE .. FOR THAT I WILL TAKE MY SHARE OF THE BLAME but I WILL NOT TAKE ALL THE BLAME FOR HAVING THE WAR BEING FOUGHT. FOR IT ALWAYS TAKES TWO TO RAGE A WAR. and the BATTLE BE FOUGHT. BY BOTH AND IN THE END IT IS THE WILL OFGOD THAT WILL WIN THE BATTLE. BECAUSE IT IS TRULY HIS WAY AND HIS BATTLE TO BE FOUGHT. and IT IS FOUGHT IN THE PLACES THAT ONLY GOD KNOWS AND THAT IS IN THE HEAVENLIES.. AND THIS EARTH IS IN GOD'S HEAVEN.. AND THIS EARTH IS HIS.. and I CAN AND DO THANK HIM EACH AND EVERY DAY I AM HERE TO LIVE ON HIS FOOTSTOOL.. BUT IT IS NOT PERFECT. IT COULD BE SO.. and THIS TOO IS UP TO THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY ... AND I AM NOT GOD.. I AM JUST ANOTHER SINNER THAT IS SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS THE RISEN CHRIST.

One problem though is that we evolved those goals in an environment that rarely made them possible to achieve. When such goals are actually obtained, the lucky individual then becomes like a "fish out of water". Sadness is needed for us to recognize happiness, danger to make us feel safe etc. The growth in numbers of people suffering from panic attack in western society has been attributed to a growth in individual security.

IS this why I have never suffered a panic attack??? IS because I have always been SECURE IN WHO I AM ??????? AS AN INDIVIDUAL???? KINDA MAKES ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND SPECIAL I GUESS.

if MOST ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE INDIVIUALLY SECURE DO HAVE PANIC ATTACKS.. WHY?????

IF a person is secure within themselves then why would they fear and have panic attacks or mental problems?? NEEDING MEDICINE.

Another couple of million years of evolution would probably be needed to adapt to utopia, meanwhile everyone would probably need medication or go nuts.

GEE IF I EVER GET THE UTOPIA THAT I WOULD CONSIDER UTOPIA I WOULD BE JUST AS GLAD TOLIVE ANOTHER MILLION YEARS.. BUT TRUTH IS THIS WORLD IS NOT UTOPIA. BUT NEITHER IS IT THE HELL THAT IT COULD BE.. I AM NOT SO SURE THAT UTOPIA CAN EVER BE REALIZED OR MANIFESTED HERE. BUT I AM WORKING ON IT.. BY JUST LIVING AND KEEPING MY FAITH IN THAT GOD THAT IS AFTER ALL GOD ALMIGHTY ...... MY LORD AND SAVIOR. AND ALL BECAUSE OF THE BLOOD THAT WAS SHED ONCE FOR ME.. AND YES I CALL him the Christ JESUS and He is THE ONLY WAY to the Father in heaven .. and I call him Lord.. AND I do not bow to a POPE, PRIEST, MINISTER, REVERAND, OR PASTOR , FOR I WORSHIP GOD!!!!!!!! not man. I SURE can LOVE ANY MAN I CHOOSE to LOVE THOUGH. and THAT IS MY RIGHT AND MY FREEDOM. NOTHING IN THIS WORLD comes to us that is worth having without a COST and price to pay.. I HAVE paid . the price AND IN SORROW and TEARS .. I DO NOT HAVE SUFFER UNTO DEATH THAT DEBT has already been paid. and yes I will yet die . someday. we all do .. YET SALVATION IS MINE. and so IS IT YOURS.. I do not understand anyone that WOULD RATHER CHOOSE DEATH . OVER LIFE. WHEN THE CHOICE WE MAKE IN THIS IS ALSO FOR OUR DESCENDANTS ALSO.. NOT ALL HAVE DESCENDATS I KNOW.. BUT THOSE WITH NONE HAVE HAD A MAMMA THAT HAD SALVATION .... THROUGH THE SAME BLOOD THAT WAS SHED ONCE FOR ALL..

[Scrotum]

IF the U.S cared about a peaceful and clean world like the EU nations, it would be great. But even be similar to Canada would help a lot. Education education education is all i have to say, Its all that is needed. If the american people got educated about the world, and saw the rest of the world instead of their tiny whole, it would help a great deal. But that will never happen. Education is Evil, and i susepct Creationism will have a larger impact then improved education in the States.

So, you aren't thankful that the United States joined the war to stop Hitler? You would rather be living under Hitler's children right now? How about the Soviet Union, are you disappointed that they didn't invade Europe; you wished that you could be working for the Soviet government who would give you your "fair" earnings?

C'mon Scrot, you're smarter than that. You know that Sweden would have been no match for those armies. You have freedom and democracy in your country, and that's because there was a pretty big kid on the block who would have kicked the azz of anyone who tried to take it from you.

I seriously have no doubt that the Third Reich would have been superior to our own, as long as i would´nt live outside it

And No, im thankful for the Soviets destroying 80% of the German army in that case. The U.S hardly contributed anything in the Second World War.

I think this shows how much the U.S. was involved in support of the Allies in Europe given the fact that it wasn't really their war. They had already been severly attacked in the Pacific.

I find that a strange comment considering that some of the European Nations had been some great allies during its time. But now when they have problems, its "their problem"? If anything would have happened in the States (lets say a great war in the U.S and peace in Europe), there would´nt be a second before you got helped by the Europeans (plural).




But to say tha The Third Reich would not have been a far superior power compared to our own (contemporary world) is very naive. They had hughe advances in medical science for example, they where the ones starting the tobaco reaserch too, and embryo reaserch would be so far now that, well, you get it. Instead Sweden has tocash up the knowledge for that (Sweden has the largest collection of stem cells in the world, and is Nr I on the science, not that you would know this, and obviously coporate with a number of other nations, including the U.S, and give them the knowledge needed).

[harvey1]

The U.S hardly contributed anything in the Second World War.

Do you expect to be taken serious as a poster? I guess not.

[McCulloch]

The U.S hardly contributed anything in the Second World War.

The late entry of the USA contributed much to the Second World War.
They provided troops and equipment to Germany's western front helping to prevent the Soviets from overrunning more of Europe than they did. They provided much of the effort involved in the rather difficult campaign to recapture Italy after Mussolini. They did most of the fighting in the Pacific, although one can think of the Pacific war as a separate war from the European one, most people don't. ( World ≠ Europe ).
But even before their formal involvement, they did supply support and supplies for their future military allies in Europe.
And they contributed atomic weaponry. They are the only nation that has dared to use atomic weaponry on human targets.
[ad hominem]I do not think that I would adopt the political ideology of someone who seems to have such a biased view of history.[/ad hominem]

[harvey1]

I do not think that I would adopt the political ideology of someone who seems to have such a biased view of history.

But, I think these comments could go further. I wouldn't be a fundamentalist because of what many fundamentalists say and think. The way I see it, their ideology is largely responsible for what they say (e.g., "God is punishing homosexuals by bringing AIDS to that community"). So, shouldn't we attribute these comments to him being an atheist? Perhaps atheism is the cause and that this is evidence that people ought not to be atheists (just like some words spoken by fundamentalists is reason not to be a fundamentalist)?