Suppose their was no death

[rowen]

Would their be anything imperfect in the world?

[Goat]

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The past is a memory that does NOT exist now as a reality. It is no longer present.

I am not inclined to "interpret" the statements of others. That is the function of their disciples or promoters.

It does not exist now, but there is evidence to suggest that it does indeed exist. If time can be moved across, like any other dimension, then the past, present, and future are essentially points on a line. The fact that you currently occupy one point does not mean that the others do not exist.

Can time be moved across? Is it logically possible? How do you resolve the issue that time is a human construct and if it was not for us measuring it it would not exist. Does time exist anywhere but the noosphere?

Does width and depth exist in anything but as concepts?

Do objects change relationship to each other with or without having man observe?


If so, then time exists , the same way that depth and width exists.

[bernee51]

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The past is a memory that does NOT exist now as a reality. It is no longer present.

I am not inclined to "interpret" the statements of others. That is the function of their disciples or promoters.

It does not exist now, but there is evidence to suggest that it does indeed exist. If time can be moved across, like any other dimension, then the past, present, and future are essentially points on a line. The fact that you currently occupy one point does not mean that the others do not exist.

Can time be moved across? Is it logically possible? How do you resolve the issue that time is a human construct and if it was not for us measuring it it would not exist. Does time exist anywhere but the noosphere?

Does width and depth exist in anything but as concepts?

Only to those who can manufacture concepts. A predator stalking a prey is most likely well aware of distance and depth without reflecting on it. Reflection, i.e. memories, thoughts ideas build the concepts.

Do objects change relationship to each other with or without having man observe

The prey doesn't know that it is a meal and the predator is no longer driven by hunger. I know that but do they?

If so, then time exists , the same way that depth and width exists.

Does the predator think, no need to hunt again til tomorrow? Or does is act on hunger when it next arises.

[Goat]

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The past is a memory that does NOT exist now as a reality. It is no longer present.

I am not inclined to "interpret" the statements of others. That is the function of their disciples or promoters.

It does not exist now, but there is evidence to suggest that it does indeed exist. If time can be moved across, like any other dimension, then the past, present, and future are essentially points on a line. The fact that you currently occupy one point does not mean that the others do not exist.

Can time be moved across? Is it logically possible? How do you resolve the issue that time is a human construct and if it was not for us measuring it it would not exist. Does time exist anywhere but the noosphere?

Does width and depth exist in anything but as concepts?

Only to those who can manufacture concepts. A predator stalking a prey is most likely well aware of distance and depth without reflecting on it. Reflection, i.e. memories, thoughts ideas build the concepts.

Do objects change relationship to each other with or without having man observe

The prey doesn't know that it is a meal and the predator is no longer driven by hunger. I know that but do they?

If so, then time exists , the same way that depth and width exists.

Does the predator think, no need to hunt again til tomorrow? Or does is act on hunger when it next arises.

Do you need to reflect on a relationship for it to exist? A rock will fall towards the center of the earth, it does not matter if it if reflects or not.

The relationship exists, even if nothing is aware of it.

[bernee51]

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The past is a memory that does NOT exist now as a reality. It is no longer present.

I am not inclined to "interpret" the statements of others. That is the function of their disciples or promoters.

It does not exist now, but there is evidence to suggest that it does indeed exist. If time can be moved across, like any other dimension, then the past, present, and future are essentially points on a line. The fact that you currently occupy one point does not mean that the others do not exist.

Can time be moved across? Is it logically possible? How do you resolve the issue that time is a human construct and if it was not for us measuring it it would not exist. Does time exist anywhere but the noosphere?

Does width and depth exist in anything but as concepts?

Only to those who can manufacture concepts. A predator stalking a prey is most likely well aware of distance and depth without reflecting on it. Reflection, i.e. memories, thoughts ideas build the concepts.

Do objects change relationship to each other with or without having man observe

The prey doesn't know that it is a meal and the predator is no longer driven by hunger. I know that but do they?

If so, then time exists , the same way that depth and width exists.

Does the predator think, no need to hunt again til tomorrow? Or does is act on hunger when it next arises.

Do you need to reflect on a relationship for it to exist? A rock will fall towards the center of the earth, it does not matter if it if reflects or not.

The relationship exists, even if nothing is aware of it.

Agreed, however you extrapolated this to “therefore time exists�.

How does a rock falling to earth show “time exists�?

[Goat]

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The past is a memory that does NOT exist now as a reality. It is no longer present.

I am not inclined to "interpret" the statements of others. That is the function of their disciples or promoters.

It does not exist now, but there is evidence to suggest that it does indeed exist. If time can be moved across, like any other dimension, then the past, present, and future are essentially points on a line. The fact that you currently occupy one point does not mean that the others do not exist.

Can time be moved across? Is it logically possible? How do you resolve the issue that time is a human construct and if it was not for us measuring it it would not exist. Does time exist anywhere but the noosphere?

Does width and depth exist in anything but as concepts?

Only to those who can manufacture concepts. A predator stalking a prey is most likely well aware of distance and depth without reflecting on it. Reflection, i.e. memories, thoughts ideas build the concepts.

Do objects change relationship to each other with or without having man observe

The prey doesn't know that it is a meal and the predator is no longer driven by hunger. I know that but do they?

If so, then time exists , the same way that depth and width exists.

Does the predator think, no need to hunt again til tomorrow? Or does is act on hunger when it next arises.

Do you need to reflect on a relationship for it to exist? A rock will fall towards the center of the earth, it does not matter if it if reflects or not.

The relationship exists, even if nothing is aware of it.

Agreed, however you extrapolated this to “therefore time exists�.

How does a rock falling to earth show “time exists�?

Because time is the measurement of how things change in relationship between items. If there was no time, there would not be any change in relationship between things. Time and space are related...

[bernee51]

Because time is the measurement of how things change in relationship between items. If there was no time, there would not be any change in relationship between things. Time and space are related...

Is that your tail or mine that I am chasing….?

Time is an observed phenomenon, by means of which human beings sense and record changes in the environment and in the universe.

Time exists in the noosphere.

I’ll hazard a guess and state that a rock, not having a presence in the noosphere, cannot know when it begins falling and when it stops. Time is only relevant to those who can observe and measure. It is also arbitrary and relative.

“Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute….�

[Goat]

Because time is the measurement of how things change in relationship between items. If there was no time, there would not be any change in relationship between things. Time and space are related...

Is that your tail or mine that I am chasing….?

Time is an observed phenomenon, by means of which human beings sense and record changes in the environment and in the universe.

Time exists in the noosphere.

I’ll hazard a guess and state that a rock, not having a presence in the noosphere, cannot know when it begins falling and when it stops. Time is only relevant to those who can observe and measure. It is also arbitrary and relative.

“Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute….�

If it wasn't for the change in relationship between different forces and matter (i.e. time), then there wouldn't be a noosphere to observe that relationship.

It all depends if you want to define time philosphically , religiously or scientifically.

I choose the scientific matter. Is there a 'universal time'. No.. it is relative. Does that mean those relationships do not exist if those relationships are not observed?? That is nonsense. Those relationships change... and thus time.

[bernee51]

It all depends if you want to define time philosphically , religiously or scientifically.

I choose the scientific matter.

Why didn't you say so....?

Does that mean those relationships do not exist if those relationships are not observed?? That is nonsense. Those relationships change... and thus time.

Do they 'change' or do they 'emerge'? Is time emergent?

"In string theory, we now have overwhelming evidence that space is an emergent phenomenon. ... we should not think about the objects and events to take place on a well-defined background geometry; we should not think about space and time as basic assumptions whose existence is guaranteed before we consider anything else. ...Special relativity guarantees that if space is emergent, time must be emergent as well."

[Goat]

It all depends if you want to define time philosphically , religiously or scientifically.

I choose the scientific matter.

Why didn't you say so....?

Does that mean those relationships do not exist if those relationships are not observed?? That is nonsense. Those relationships change... and thus time.

Do they 'change' or do they 'emerge'? Is time emergent?

"In string theory, we now have overwhelming evidence that space is an emergent phenomenon. ... we should not think about the objects and events to take place on a well-defined background geometry; we should not think about space and time as basic assumptions whose existence is guaranteed before we consider anything else. ...Special relativity guarantees that if space is emergent, time must be emergent as well."

When we have a way to test string theory that can be tested.

We do know there is a relationship between the change in distance between two objects, and their relative time flows.

[bernee51]

It all depends if you want to define time philosphically , religiously or scientifically.

I choose the scientific matter.

Why didn't you say so....?

Does that mean those relationships do not exist if those relationships are not observed?? That is nonsense. Those relationships change... and thus time.

Do they 'change' or do they 'emerge'? Is time emergent?

"In string theory, we now have overwhelming evidence that space is an emergent phenomenon. ... we should not think about the objects and events to take place on a well-defined background geometry; we should not think about space and time as basic assumptions whose existence is guaranteed before we consider anything else. ...Special relativity guarantees that if space is emergent, time must be emergent as well."

When we have a way to test string theory that can be tested.

We do know there is a relationship between the change in distance between two objects, and their relative time flows.

And we call it time.