The Tanager wrote:
That was the point of drawing that parallel. Seeing that "opinion is all there is" in morality leads you to conclude something like: "I dislike it when people choose to follow their opinion". While seeing that "opinion is all there is" in music taste leads you to conclude something like: "I like it when people choose to follow their opinion." You are reacting in different ways to the same observation/belief.
As I keep asking you since the beginning of this conversation, so what? You do the same when it comes to music, reacting in different ways to the same observation/belief. Why is it okay when it comes to music but not when it comes to morality?
In one of those you aren't actually incorporating your observation that "opinion is all there is".
And you came to that conclusion just because I dislike stuff that you don't dislike? Seems like a non-sequitur to me.
Because I don't think your judgment on "opinion is all there is" is consistent with the idea that "opinion is all there is." I'm saying that idea means "I'm fine with someone doing X if they want to." That's what it means for you when talking about music taste, food taste, all kinds of other tastes. You change it when talking about moral taste to "I'm not fine with someone doing X if they want to."
So what? I keep asking you this and the closest thing to an explanation I got form you is, "I'm fine with someone doing X if they want to, when I think opinion is all there is to it." That's your preference, not mine. I'm fine with someone doing some things if they want to, when I think opinion is all there is to it. I'm not fine with someone doing some other things even they want to, when I think opinion is all there is to it.
Why must I be fine with the things you are fine with?
Saying "opinion is all there is" leads to nothing being worse or better because there is no truth to make such a judgment.
That's not correct, or at least clumsy for missing a very important word. Saying "opinion is all there is" leads to nothing being
objectively worse or
objectively better because there is no truth to make such a judgment. Again, think music taste - there is no truth to make a judgment as to which piece of music is better than another, yet you have no problem judging country music as worse than other kinds of music.
To make the judgment that child abuse is worse than not abusing children is bringing a standard to judge the various views by.
Yep, that standard being my own feelings. That's perfectly compatible with the idea that there is no truth to make such a judgment. "No truth" is very different from "no standards."
They address different issues. If that's what you mean by "turning on and off," then that is what we should do.
Then why are you making a big deal about simple subjectivism when I do it?
If you give me the phrase you got that impression from, then I'll be able to clarify it specifically. I do not think mere disagreement makes something subjective.
"Your distaste for rap music doesn't factor into my subjective taste, it factors into my subjectivism proper claim about what kind of thing music taste is for humans."
Since the aesthetic value of music is subjective, people are made happy by different styles and, therefore, I'm fine with them listening to different styles of music. If I thought the aesthetic value of music was objective, then I would want people to listen to the objectively good music only, regardless of whether they thought other music would make them happy or not.
I noticed the "therefore" here, how exactly does the premise "the aesthetic value of music is subjective, people are made happy by different styles" lead to the conclusion "The Tanager is fine with them listening to different styles of music?"
I don't think your taste as your taste is a factor in it. It seems to me like you have said that your taste is the only factor for you.
It's not only factor for me when judging subjective matter. It's not a factor for me when deciding objective matters, "the subjectivism proper claim on the nature of music taste" is an objective matter therefore my, nor anyone else's, taste is not a factor at all.