The Koran on freedom of religion and faith

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The Koran on freedom of religion and faith

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What does the Koran orders the prophet to do and how to behave:

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

24.54. Say: "Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant," It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

109.1-6 Say : O ye that reject Faith,! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.

74.11-17 Leave Me with whom I created alone!, To whom I granted resources in abundance, And sons to be by his side, To whom I made (life) smooth and comfortable, Yet is he greedy-that I should add (yet more);- By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory!, Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities!

"So have We appointed for every Prophet an enemy - devils of men and Jinns; who inspire each other with seductive, deceptive speech which leads astray; but had thy Lord willed they would not have done so. So leave them with what they do devise. And let the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter listen to it; and let them be well pleased with it; and let them gain what they can gain!" 6:113-114

"And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 6:68

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Quran/Islam/Muhammad are champions of the all the needed Human Rights. There is no doubt in it. Right, please?
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Bigmo wrote: What does the Koran order the prophet to do and how to behave:

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.
The above verses make it abundantly and unequivocally clear that Islam/Quran/Muhammad did not allow Muslims to force non-Muslims to convert to Islam. Right, please?

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total or totalitarian peace?

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As I understand it, the koran is not primarily about peace but about surrender to the will of Allah. It is from this act of "submission" that peace supposedly flows. Total surrender to Allah brings total peace.

How is this not totalitarianism? This does not seem that much different from the slogan in George Orwell's 1984: “War is peace / freedom is slavery / ignorance is strength.�

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The bottom line for both Islam and Christianity, two religions that both pull the same totalitarian stunt, is that while they claim to not be forcing people to join and support their religion, they do proclaim anyone who does not to be a wicked person who has rejected their God and all that is good.

So while they pretend to not force people to join their religions, they actually belittle, degrade, and proclaim that anyone who refuses to do so is an evil person.

So these religions are not as benign as they like to claim. In fact, I personally see these kind of theistic tactics as being grossly dishonest and underhanded.
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Re: total or totalitarian peace?

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elphidium55 wrote: As I understand it, the koran is not primarily about peace but about surrender to the will of Allah.
I think that's pretty much spot on. Most of the rhetoric that could be interpreted as anything akin to moral instruction or commandment is the classic carrot-stick sort of thing, alternating the reward of the believer with various punishments for those who refuse to listen to God.

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[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #4]

Who is the Christians calling Barak Obama ...Satan?
And who is the Christians in the middle who hates Jews?

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Divine Insight wrote: Wed May 06, 2020 6:50 am The bottom line for both Islam and Christianity, two religions that both pull the same totalitarian stunt, is that while they claim to not be forcing people to join and support their religion, they do proclaim anyone who does not to be a wicked person who has rejected their God and all that is good.

So while they pretend to not force people to join their religions, they actually belittle, degrade, and proclaim that anyone who refuses to do so is an evil person.

So these religions are not as benign as they like to claim. In fact, I personally see these kind of theistic tactics as being grossly dishonest and underhanded.
Please explain to me how you think Christians forces you into their religion.
How does a Christian belittle, degrade and claim you are an evil person.

I would love to know how Christians do the above.
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