Jesus is a superior prophet to Mohammed

[Yolande]

The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not

The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did

The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.

The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.

So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.

[elle]

The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not

Even assuming that this was supposed to be accepted as literal truth (which I don't think it was), why would a virgin birth make someone a superior prophet? Other people in the Bible had special circumstances surrounding their birth. John the Baptist comes to mind as a character that was foretold to be filled with "the Spirit" from birth and was born from a sterile couple of extremely advanced age. I just don't see how special birth means better than some other prophet - they all seemed to have some sort of special or unique characteristics, birth or otherwise.

The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did

Mohammad's greatest miracle, from my limited understanding, is that he was given the revelation of the Qur'an which is a holy book of god. This would certainly qualify as a miracle were it true. There are some who also interpret the Qur'an to attribute the miracle of splitting the moon to him. A quick Google search listed the following as other miracles Mohammad performed: the flowing of water from his fingers, the blessing of food allowing large numbers of people to eat from small quantities, healing of the sick, exorcising demons, and serving as a mediator for prayers from the people to god. These miracles are not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an to my knowledge, but they are mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari which is one of the major Islamic books and esteemed along with and almost as highly as the Qur'an in some circles. Mohammed very clearly performed miracles according to Islamic tradition.

The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.

I will say that it is very, very debatable whether Jesus ever called himself God the Son. I disagreed with this as did the church ministry I was raised in and there are legitimate reasons to dispute this interpretation of the Bible.

As far as calling himself the Son of God, I reference Romans 8 in the New International Version of the Protestant Bible:

13For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship.[g] And by him we cry, "Abba,[h] Father." 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... version=31
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica

I added the bold for emphasis. I think that there is evidence for a viewpoint that Jesus was a prophet and worthy of esteem, but not the final authority on the subject of god.

The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.

I think the Christian understanding of Messiah tends to be different than other understandings of the word, but until I do more research or hear from someone more versed in Islamic teaching, I will have to concede this point for now.

So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.

I do not think you have adequately proven your point for the criticisms mentioned in my post.

[Yolande]

The point is, that when we compare Mohammed with Jesus, Jesus is much more impressive than Mohammed.

The Quran was not a miracle. It was a book I believe Mohammed wrote himself, copying parts from the bible and making things up as it suits him.

The bible is a set of books that was written over thousands of years by dozens of authors, which all forms a beautiful whole. The bible in itself is a miracle.

[elle]

The point is, that when we compare Mohammed with Jesus, Jesus is much more impressive than Mohammed.

Possibly, in your subjective opinion. I do not feel you have not provided any convincing evidence that this is true.

The Quran was not a miracle. It was a book I believe Mohammed wrote himself, copying parts from the bible and making things up as it suits him.

Again this is your personal bias and opinion. Do you have any evidence that the Bible was not made up by men in the same way you criticize the Qur'an? It has been well documented that the Bible took ideas from many previous faith traditions and myths. There is no evidence that the Bible was written by a divine being or beings nor that it was inspired by such. So why dismiss the Qur'an for suffering from the same flaw?

The bible is a set of books that was written over thousands of years by dozens of authors, which all forms a beautiful whole. The bible in itself is a miracle.

There is no proof that the Bible forms a whole or that it is a miracle. In fact, different sects of Christianity cannot even agree on what the whole is! Having multiple authors or being old are also not logical reasons for thinking the Bible is divine.

[Yolande]

When you look from a second dimension at a block, you see one single block.
When you would see it however from the 1st dimension you would see 4 lines not one thing
When you look from a third dimension at a cube, you see one cube.
From a second dimension you see 6 seperate sheets.

When you look at the bible from a purely literal perspective you see a lot of loose stories and rules and dates and geneologies that appears totally disconnected from one another and mostly unrelated to your life.
When your spiritual eyes have been open, you see mysteries upon mysteries in the bible unlocked, and you see how holistically the books flows into one another.
Some of the keys for example to unlock Revelations, you find in Genesis, and most of the happenings in the Old Testament can not be understood from a spiritual perspective without what the New Testament in the cross reveals.

Your spirit is made for God and is hungry for communion with Him.
What you saw in churches did not satisfy you.
That doesn't mean God isn't real and His Word isn't true.

[elle]

When you look from a second dimension at a block, you see one single block.
When you would see it however from the 1st dimension you would see 4 lines not one thing
When you look from a third dimension at a cube, you see one cube.
From a second dimension you see 6 seperate sheets.

When you look at the bible from a purely literal perspective you see a lot of loose stories and rules and dates and geneologies that appears totally disconnected from one another and mostly unrelated to your life.
When your spiritual eyes have been open, you see mysteries upon mysteries in the bible unlocked, and you see how holistically the books flows into one another.
Some of the keys for example to unlock Revelations, you find in Genesis, and most of the happenings in the Old Testament can not be understood from a spiritual perspective without what the New Testament in the cross reveals.

I agree that the Bible should not be looked at from a purely literal perspective. I reject the notion that the Old Testament should have anything to do with the Christian New Testament or that the books in the bible contain mysteries that can be seen with "spiritual eyes." Do you mind responding to the actual points I've raised about Mohammad?

Your spirit is made for God and is hungry for communion with Him.
What you saw in churches did not satisfy you.
That doesn't mean God isn't real and His Word isn't true.

This is a debate site, not an avenue for you to proselytize. I would greatly appreciate it if you stayed on topic and did not try to make this about my personal life as it is completely irrelevant to a debate.

[Yolande]

Ok. I get your point. Let me be more spesific to your arguments:

Even assuming that this was supposed to be accepted as literal truth (which I don't think it was), why would a virgin birth make someone a superior prophet?

Jesus is more than a prophet. The virgin birth supports the argument that he is born of God and has no sin.

Mohammad's greatest miracle, from my limited understanding, is that he was given the revelation of the Qur'an which is a holy book of god. This would certainly qualify as a miracle were it true. There are some who also interpret the Qur'an to attribute the miracle of splitting the moon to him. A quick Google search listed the following as other miracles Mohammad performed: the flowing of water from his fingers, the blessing of food allowing large numbers of people to eat from small quantities, healing of the sick, exorcising demons, and serving as a mediator for prayers from the people to god. These miracles are not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an to my knowledge, but they are mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari which is one of the major Islamic books and esteemed along with and almost as highly as the Qur'an in some circles. Mohammed very clearly performed miracles according to Islamic tradition.

It may be so that other books attributed miracles to Mohammed. I was spesifically referring to the account of the Qur'an. There are many miracles that was recorded about Jesus as well, which is not in the bible.

The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.

I will say that it is very, very debatable whether Jesus ever called himself God the Son. I disagreed with this as did the church ministry I was raised in and there are legitimate reasons to dispute this interpretation of the Bible.

As far as calling himself the Son of God, I reference Romans 8 in the New International Version of the Protestant Bible:

13For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship.[g] And by him we cry, "Abba,[h] Father." 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... version=31
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica


I added the bold for emphasis. I think that there is evidence for a viewpoint that Jesus was a prophet and worthy of esteem, but not the final authority on the subject of god.

The eye witnesses's accounts in the 4 Gospels all agrees that Jesus called Himself the Son of God, even God, and accepted worship.

Jesus was the firstfruit of the Father.
He "sowed" Him like a kernal to the ground, that died and rose again, bringing to the Father a harvest of many sons in Him.

Jesus is thus now our elder brother as well as our redeemer, although He also is God. I am a son of God like is explained in Romans 8, by the grace of God, through the sacrifice of Jesus.
But Jesus is still God and to be worshipped and adored.

[Goat]

The point is, that when we compare Mohammed with Jesus, Jesus is much more impressive than Mohammed.

The Quran was not a miracle. It was a book I believe Mohammed wrote himself, copying parts from the bible and making things up as it suits him.

The bible is a set of books that was written over thousands of years by dozens of authors, which all forms a beautiful whole. The bible in itself is a miracle.

Hum... when I compare Jesus with Mohammed, the one thing I see is that there is more evidence with Mohammed actually existing

[bernee51]

The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not

The koran is based on the bible.

The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did

The koran is based on the bible.

The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie.

The koran is based on the bible.

Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.

Correction...the writers of the gospels/NT CLAIMED that Jesus called himself 'Son of God" (and that a misinterpretation of OT SoG). As did the writers CLAIM Jesus called himself god and accepted worship.

There is no evidence that this actually happened.

The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.

The koran is based on the bible.

So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.

The only thing that can be concluded is that the bible and the koran are based in myth and metaphor

[Yolande]

Elle,
I include reference from scripture that the bible tells us Jesus is God. Not just the son of God.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm