What do Muslims have to trump Christianity?

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Can Muslims prove that Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael? If so, can Muslims prove that Ishmael was a prophet. Can Muslims prove that Muhammad meets the requirements of prophet hood; for instance, is he from the right ancestral line; has he performed any miracle or given any prophecy that was fufilled; has he been confirmed by other prophets? Did he know the name of God?

Since the Quran means recitation, should it have been written. Does any Muslim know where one can find an original Quran? Can they prove that the copy of the Quran they have from Uthman's time hasn't been corrupted after he burned the originals and recompiled it? Is there any record that shows Muhammad claimed to even be a prophet during his life time or that any pronounced him one?

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I would like to listen to Muslims debate each other regarding this. Many say you can trust the hadiths only the Quran, but I say neither can be trusted.

Yes there are some who deny the ahadeeth. Most of them are following some kind of deviant sect and the founder of it tells his followers that the hadiths are false and things of that nature, b/c they would disprove their false religion in a second. The only way they attempt to survive is by twisting Quran verses and ignoring the explanations of the prophet (peace be upon him), his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) and the following generations of great Imams and scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them).

Also, there are just some who are confused or new to the religion and then the ahadeeth overwhelm them. Or, like some, deny things because of their culture or programming and then claim that the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) could not have said that - just cause it goes against some of their views.....

But these people have all been nicely refuted by scholars and other people of knowledge. Most of those who deny hadiths don't even look at the system and process of authentication, they just deny out of their own whims and desires.

Okay, those are the Muslims that don't believe in the Shahadah. Muslims say Christians associate partners unto God, but isn't that what Muslim are doing in the Shahadah. Some Muslims tell me they don't say the Shahadah for that reason. I think they have an interesting point, bc it is an observation I hade made years ago, but I never knew there were Muslims that felt that way. Of course I don't agree with the Quranist or the ones that accept the sunnuah!
So why can't you just say I bear witness that there is no God but Allah?

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

Okay, those are the Muslims that don't believe in the Shahadah. Muslims say Christians associate partners unto God, but isn't that what Muslim are doing in the Shahadah. Some Muslims tell me they don't say the Shahadah for that reason. I think they have an interesting point, bc it is an observation I hade made years ago, but I never knew there were Muslims that felt that way. Of course I don't agree with the Quranist or the ones that accept the sunnuah!
So why can't you just say I bear witness that there is no God but Allah?

No, those Muslims believe in the shahadah too.. It's not that they don't believe prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a messenger of God, it's just that they don't believe some ahadeeth are authentic and their grading system is their own view... And they have some random reasons but as I said before, they were refuted on everything.

Secondly, believing that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God is not shirk because shirk means making partners with God. If someone said he was - God forbid - God, then this would be shirk as Christians do with prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).

Whatever fools told you that they don't say shahadah cause it's shirk are, again, huge fools who don't use their mind, and not Muslims. Because you're not a Muslims till you believe and pronounce the shahadah. These guys were prolly undercover Christian missionaries or something, lol.

You said you've been wondering this for years but if we followed the advice given by God to ponder, then I'm pretty sure you woulda figured this out by now - no offence.

You can't just be a Muslim, submitting to Allah, by only believing He is One and not believing in the prophets because then you are not submitting to Allah, you are denying and rejecting Him. Jews and Christians (xtians "technically") believe this as well but they reject the prophet(s) of Allah and are therefore disobeying Him and straying from the Straight Path. Even a Hindu can come here and say he believes that none should be worshiped except the One God alone but without believing in the prophets he is basically disbelieving/denying God.

They might believe there is One God and Tom is His prophet... You get what I'm saying? This is kufr (disbelief). So if you don't believe that a prophet of God is His prophet then you won't follow the revelation of God, and you are rejecting God and will burn in hell for eternity - a fair recompense for the crime.

Conclusion: many may believe that there is One God and Only He deserves worship, but if they reject the prophets then they are rejecting God and disbelieving.

Also just simply understanding the meaning of shirk would help you find out this answer (if you're saying that it's shirk). God would not send prophets if it was shirk somehow.

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That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed. Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
Uthman rewrote the Quran, but is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

Kind of like the gospels, which were written down long after Yeshua died? Is there any documentation about Him whatsoever written before He died by Him or by others about Him?

Face it, Christianity makes no more sense, and has no more evidence, than Islam.

What religion were you raised in? What about you, LaaIlahaIllAllah? What religion were you brought up in?

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

What about you, LaaIlahaIllAllah? What religion were you brought up in?

I was brought up as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, but Alhamdulillah, I was guided to the Truth.

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That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed. Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
Uthman rewrote the Quran, but is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

Kind of like the gospels, which were written down long after Yeshua died? Is there any documentation about Him whatsoever written before He died by Him or by others about Him?

Face it, Christianity makes no more sense, and has no more evidence, than Islam.

What religion were you raised in? What about you, LaaIlahaIllAllah? What religion were you brought up in?

There is what was written about Him before He was born (fulfilled Prophecies), and it wasn't long after He rose from the dead; btw, it was hundreds of years closer to the time it records than the Koranic account of Jesus's life. Christianity doesn't make sense to those that are perishing as written in the Bible: "For the preaching of the cross is to those that are perishing foolishness, but unto us who are being saved, It is the power of God" Yes, we Christians are fools for Christ. Who are you a fool for? I was born and raised Catholic, but I didn't remain that way.

I am a product of my past but not its prisoner. I read the Bible and came the the conclusion that the Catholic church has changed the meaning of Scriptures and follows idolatry and they are on a works trip every similar to Islam. They are only better off for believing that Jesus is the son of God which I believe because that is what God said. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him" Muslim won't hear God or Jesus when it comes to accepting Him for who He is. Jesus said "I AM" God said, "I AM"
Have you ever heard the expression like father like son?

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

This is what Islam has to trump Christianity:

FIGHT!

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This is what Islam has to trump Christianity:

FIGHT!

It is a losing battle to fight against God!

[Autodidact]

That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed. Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
Uthman rewrote the Quran, but is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

Kind of like the gospels, which were written down long after Yeshua died? Is there any documentation about Him whatsoever written before He died by Him or by others about Him?

Face it, Christianity makes no more sense, and has no more evidence, than Islam.

What religion were you raised in? What about you, LaaIlahaIllAllah? What religion were you brought up in?

There is what was written about Him before He was born (fulfilled Prophecies),

No, there aren't. If there ever was such a guy, which we really don't know for sure, he fulfilled about zero prophecies. Nothing was written about Him before He lived.

and it wasn't long after He rose from the dead; btw

, according to books written long after the events--kind of like the q'uran.

it was hundreds of years closer to the time it records than the Koranic account of Jesus's life.

But not the quranic accounts of Mohammed's life, which is what you're comparing it to.

Christianity doesn't make sense to those that are perishing as written in the Bible: "For the preaching of the cross is to those that are perishing foolishness, but unto us who are being saved, It is the power of God" Yes, we Christians are fools for Christ. Who are you a fool for?

I'm not a fool, thank goodness, and have no interest in becoming one.

I was born and raised Catholic, but I didn't remain that way.

You were raised Christian, and are Christian today. What a unique and original thought process!

I am a product of my past but not its prisoner

. I prefer to use my brain, rather than rely on what I was taught as a child.

I read the Bible and came the the conclusion that the Catholic church has changed the meaning of Scriptures and follows idolatry and they are on a works trip every similar to Islam. They are only better off for believing that Jesus is the son of God which I believe because that is what God said. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him" Muslim won't hear God or Jesus when it comes to accepting Him for who He is. Jesus said "I AM" God said, "I AM"

This is what God said, according to a book that has no more basis than the q'uran.

Have you ever heard the expression like father like son?

Yes, and?

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That is not proof that Muhammad considered himself a prophet unless you can proof it was written at the time he was alive. Is there any documentation that says he is a prophet written before he died by him or by others about him?

BTW, u don't have an original Quran, because Uthman (son in law) burned them and those that memorized the Quran were killed. Why would Marwa destroy Hafsa's copy after her death? Why???
Uthman rewrote the Quran, but is there any evidence that the Quran should have even been written to begin with? Quran means say not write, am I right?

Kind of like the gospels, which were written down long after Yeshua died? Is there any documentation about Him whatsoever written before He died by Him or by others about Him?

Face it, Christianity makes no more sense, and has no more evidence, than Islam.

What religion were you raised in? What about you, LaaIlahaIllAllah? What religion were you brought up in?

There is what was written about Him before He was born (fulfilled Prophecies),

No, there aren't. If there ever was such a guy, which we really don't know for sure, he fulfilled about zero prophecies. Nothing was written about Him before He lived.

and it wasn't long after He rose from the dead; btw

, according to books written long after the events--kind of like the q'uran.

it was hundreds of years closer to the time it records than the Koranic account of Jesus's life.

But not the quranic accounts of Mohammed's life, which is what you're comparing it to.

Christianity doesn't make sense to those that are perishing as written in the Bible: "For the preaching of the cross is to those that are perishing foolishness, but unto us who are being saved, It is the power of God" Yes, we Christians are fools for Christ. Who are you a fool for?

I'm not a fool, thank goodness, and have no interest in becoming one.

I was born and raised Catholic, but I didn't remain that way.

You were raised Christian, and are Christian today. What a unique and original thought process!

I am a product of my past but not its prisoner

. I prefer to use my brain, rather than rely on what I was taught as a child.

I read the Bible and came the the conclusion that the Catholic church has changed the meaning of Scriptures and follows idolatry and they are on a works trip every similar to Islam. They are only better off for believing that Jesus is the son of God which I believe because that is what God said. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him" Muslim won't hear God or Jesus when it comes to accepting Him for who He is. Jesus said "I AM" God said, "I AM"

This is what God said, according to a book that has no more basis than the q'uran.

Have you ever heard the expression like father like son?

Yes, and?

Basically, you are an atheist. Are you not? Therefore, you are at odds with both Christianity and Islam. So how can you answer the question of how Islam trumps Christianity when you see both religions as nonsense. Are you trolling? If a Muslim asked how does Christianity trump Islam you would be giving the same generic responses.
What are hoping to accomplish? Are you trying to say all theists don't use their brains, and you do and are no fool for anyone. Have you ever heard the song Bob Dylan sang? "You're gonna have to serve somebody it might be the devil it might be the Lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody." Let me tell you friend who you are not serving, and Muslims would agree, that is if you're an atheist, that you are not serving God!

BTW, Jesus did fulfill prophecy take a look at Isaiah 53 if you're really interested to start with. If you are trying to say believing in God is nonsense, you will get hammered by both Christians and Muslims. It is really stupid not to believe God exist; again, Muslim will agree! Are you sure you want to continue debating?

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There is no match. Muslims say they love Jesus, but who is Jesus to them. He is just an argument for God's onesses and spoke as a baby and what are Muslim in love with?
The Jesus of the Quran is a one demensional wimp prophet. They say they honor him, but how? If someone said they wanted to honor me and said things about me that weren't true or describe a person different then my self I wouldn't feel honored. How could they think their one demensionnal description of Jesus is honoring Him or God?
Jesus will receive the reward of His suffereing, every knee will bow and tongue confess that He is Lord to the glory of the father.

The author of the Quran didn't know who Jesus was nor did he understand the concept of the trinity. he Quran claims that to Christians Allah is the 3rd person of the trinity. That is not true