WHY DID GOD CREATE US???

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WHY DID GOD CREATE US???

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WHY DID GOD CREATE US:

ANSWER:  So that we would worship Him, thank Him and remember Him, and do that which He has commanded us. You know that among mankind there are non-believers  and there are believers. This is because God wants to test His slaves as to whether they will worship Him or worship others. That is after God has showed the way to everyone. God says (interpretation of the meaning):

 “Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed� [Quran al-Mulk 67:2]

 “And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)� [Quran al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD:

Proof 1: Instinctive evidence: 

This category is the strongest of the categories in regards to the evidence that prove God exists   Allah (God) says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“So set you (O Muhammad) your face towards the religion (of pure Islamic Monotheism) Haneef (worship none but Allaah Alone). Allaah’s Fitrah (i.e. Allaah’s Islamic Monotheism) with which He has created mankind� [Quran al-Room 30:30] 

Humans are born with a sound natural disposition (fitrah) which testifies to the existence of God and man cannot turn away from that unless the devils mislead him,  whoever is misled by the devils may not recognize this evidence.� 

Each individual has a  feeling inside himself that he has a Lord and Creator, and he feels that he is in need of Him, if some major calamity befalls him he turns his hands, eyes and heart towards the heavens, seeking help from his Lord. 

Proof 2: Tangible evidence: 

This category refers to the things that exist in this universe and things we see around us, things that exist for example trees, rocks, mankind, the earth, the heavens, seas, rivers… etc

The obvious question that is commonly asked is:

WHO CREATED THEM & IS TAKING CARE OF THEM???

The answer is that if these things came into being by accident, spontaneously and with no cause, then there is no one who knows how they were created, and that is one possibility. But there is another possibility, which is that these things created themselves and are taking care of themselves. And there is a third possibility, which is that there is Someone Who created them. When we look at these three possibilities, we find that the first and the second are impossible. If we reject the first and the second, then the third must be the one which is correct, which is that these things have a Creator who created them, and that Creator is Allaah (God). This is what is stated in the Qur’aan, where  (God) says: 

“Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief� [Quran al-Toor 52:35] 

Moreover, WHEN WERE THESE MIGHTY THINGS CREATED??? For all these years, who is it that has decreed that they should remain in this world and has granted them the means of abiding? 

The answer is, it is  God who has given to each thing that which is suited to it and will guarantee its survival. Do you not see the beautiful green plants; when Allaah (God) cuts off their water supply, can they live? No, rather they become dry stalks. If you ponder all things you will find that they are dependent upon God Were it not for God, nothing would remain. 

And  God has created everything to do that for which it is suited. So camels, for example, are for riding. Allaah (God) says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“Do they not see that We have created for them of what Our Hands have created, the cattle, so that they are their owners.

And We have subdued them unto them so that some of them they have for riding and some they eat� [Quran Yaa-Seen 36:71-72]

 Look at the camel and how  (God) has created it strong, with a strong back, so that it can be used for riding and it is able to endure harsh conditions which other animals cannot bear.

 If you look at other creatures you will find that they are suited to the purposes for which they were created. Glory be to God.

An example of tangible evidence include:

 When calamities befall people this points to the existence of the Creator, for example, when they call upon God and Allaah responds to their prayer, this points to the existence of God

Proof 3: Shar’i evidence:

All divinely-revealed laws point to the existence of God. 

All the divinely-revealed laws point to the existence of the Creator and to the perfect nature of His knowledge, wisdom and mercy, because these laws must have been prescribed by someone, and that Lawgiver is God.

 I ask Allaah (God) to enable us and you to do that which He loves and is pleased with, Amin.

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HaLi8993 wrote: @ Goat

It's much more than just following a book, our natural disposition points to a creator, If you look and see the signs of the universe one can not help but wander how this all came about. When one reads the Quran and follows the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is 100% no doubt that it's the truth. Nothing proven wrong, prophecies, science, kindness, everything about life, how to live it, how to treat people. Everything, a whole way of life that not only will benefit you in this life but also in the hereafter. Do you know what the problem is you can't let go, you dont want to take the chance, letting go of your beliefs is hard but that's where the test lies. Not everyone is born into a religious family including myself. But these days people are searching for direction, a meaning, a purpose in life. And the answer is Islam.

Argument from personal incredibility there?? Many times, Muslims have made those claims, yet,.. when examined, it appears that those claims are.. well, not all what they are claimed to be. The science is wrong, the prophesies are after the fact, shoe horned into place or vague. And, how to live?? Forget it. I wouldn't want to live in a country like that.. no way , no how.
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@ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "In the other thread after I asked for a non circular proof of the existance of god you directed me to this thread saying it would answer this question, it has not and is also an entirely circular argument"

ANSWER: I must admit this has become rather argumentative lol.

You didn't ask for a non circular proof in your first post, you asked for the existence of God. You needed to be more specific if u wanted me to prove it to you from other sources.

QUOTE: "It isn't that it is or is not what I want to hear, it's that you are using your religion to justify your religion also known as a circular argument. You say what you have posted is the truth, fine all I want is for you to prove what you say is true, how hard can that be if you have the truth right in front of you?"

ANSWER: Of course I'm using the religion of God to justify the truth, if you wanted a different answer away from Islam then you could have easily went to the other sub-forums to search for a answer you would like to hear. Prove what I say is true? according to who ?? Western theology??  Have a look at the Scientific discoveries.   

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HaLi8993 wrote: You didn't ask for a non circular proof in your first post, you asked for the existence of God. You needed to be more specific if u wanted me to prove it to you from other sources.

 
A circular proof is not a proof at all. Thus asking for proof of the existence of God is equivalent to asking for non-circular proof.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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The truth will make you free.
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Ok..... :blink:

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HaLi8993 wrote: @ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "In the other thread after I asked for a non circular proof of the existance of god you directed me to this thread saying it would answer this question, it has not and is also an entirely circular argument"

ANSWER: I must admit this has become rather argumentative lol.

You didn't ask for a non circular proof in your first post, you asked for the existence of God. You needed to be more specific if u wanted me to prove it to you from other sources.

QUOTE: "It isn't that it is or is not what I want to hear, it's that you are using your religion to justify your religion also known as a circular argument. You say what you have posted is the truth, fine all I want is for you to prove what you say is true, how hard can that be if you have the truth right in front of you?"

ANSWER: Of course I'm using the religion of God to justify the truth, if you wanted a different answer away from Islam then you could have easily went to the other sub-forums to search for a answer you would like to hear. Prove what I say is true? according to who ?? Western theology??  Have a look at the Scientific discoveries.   
Using your style of argumentation EVERY religion can prove itself to be the one true religion with the one true god or gods.

BTW it was in the other thread in which I asked for a non circular argument for the existance of god to which you replied by referring me to this thread which contains nothing but circular arguments.

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@ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "Using your style of argumentation EVERY religion can prove itself to be the one true religion with the one true god or gods. 

BTW it was in the other thread in which I asked for a non circular argument for the existance of god to which you replied by referring me to this thread which contains nothing but circular arguments"

ANSWER: I would like to here their arguments. 

I know it was the other thread, but you first asked to provide you proof for the existence of God and then you said I didn't ask for a circular argument, go check it out yourself.

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QUOTE: "Using your style of argumentation EVERY religion can prove itself to be the one true religion with the one true god or gods.

BTW it was in the other thread in which I asked for a non circular argument for the existance of god to which you replied by referring me to this thread which contains nothing but circular arguments"

ANSWER: I would like to here their arguments.
Good for you, you can all get into a long argument telling each other how your holy book doesn't support what their holy book says.
I know it was the other thread, but you first asked to provide you proof for the existence of God and then you said I didn't ask for a circular argument, go check it out yourself.
A circular argument is also known as a fallacious argument meaning it is false from the start because it is using itself to prove itself. As McCulloch has already pointed out. One should not have to ask for a noncircular argument since it is already known that such an argument is fals and even stranger that you are now trying to defend the viability of a circular argument.

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@ Wyvern


QUOTE: "Good for you, you can all get into a long argument telling each other how your holy book doesn't support what their holy book says"

ANSWER: I think that's a splendid idea!

QUOTE: "A circular argument is also known as a fallacious argument meaning it is false from the start because it is using itself to prove itself. As McCulloch has already pointed out. One should not have to ask for a noncircular argument since it is already known that such an argument is fals and even stranger that you are now trying to defend the viability of a circular argument"

ANSWER: That's nice, I have honesty learnt something new today. Thanks for that. There is only one problem your using the wrong terminology cause my arguments aren't false lol

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HaLi8993 wrote: @ Wyvern


QUOTE: "Good for you, you can all get into a long argument telling each other how your holy book doesn't support what their holy book says"

ANSWER: I think that's a splendid idea!

QUOTE: "A circular argument is also known as a fallacious argument meaning it is false from the start because it is using itself to prove itself. As McCulloch has already pointed out. One should not have to ask for a noncircular argument since it is already known that such an argument is fals and even stranger that you are now trying to defend the viability of a circular argument"

ANSWER: That's nice, I have honesty learnt something new today. Thanks for that. There is only one problem your using the wrong terminology cause my arguments aren't false lol
If you are using a circular argument your argument is automatically false, that is what the term fallacious means.

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@ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "If you are using a circular argument your argument is automatically false, that is what the term fallacious means"

ANSWER: That's nice. Thanks for clarifying what a circular argument is.

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