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Reminder: Scientology, much more beautiful than the media...

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Here's the presentation of non-cult Scientology that a religious movement built on something very admirable: non-authoritarian in nature and more...

THE AIMS OF SCIENTOLOGY
Written by L. Ron Hubbard in September 1965.

A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where Man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology.

Source: http://www.scientology.org/what-is-scie ... ology.html.

Please, add the Basics, incl. The Way to Happiness and A New Slant on Life, then add the very excellent book, Scientology 0 - 8, The Book of Basics.

Inside Book of Basics you find something very special, p. 133: the "S" column that comments on the "Ethic Level" and "down there" with "Tone Scale" 1.1 and 0.5, it reads: "Sex criminals. Negative ethics. Deviously dishonest. Perverts honesty without reason." and "Non-existent. Not thinking. Obeying anyone. [Understood very negatively, obeying the hideous, I suspect.]. On top, then, 4.0, "Bases ethics on reason. Very high ethic level."

Great or what? :D :D :D 8-)

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The Basic Books, no more than 6 - 8 when I bought them: http://www.bridgepub.com/store/catalog/ ... index.html.

The reasoning for Non-Cult Scientology:
Why Scientology can be described as religious (and not cult)

Scientology, for removing petty quarrel below the worth of the readers of this discussion page, can be described as religious out of these reasons:

1. That it has a goal for humanity or sentience of inifinity, by the 8th dynamic.

2. That it has a special standing ascribed to human beings beyond being animals, that is, how it describes people as „Thetans“, people with body and soul.

3. It elevates or describes human beings within a definite ethical context, i.e., something along the 10 commandments for this inifinity to be achieved.
- also see „Aims of Scientology“.

4. It abides to certain common corpus as movement that can plausibly be followed by everybody, also the autonomy-principle for its members, New Slant on Life, pp. 33 onwards.
- this point also removes, along with the others, that Scientology can ever be a cult in the true sense. A signal for this is its churches and missions always placed decently with the cities, usually the capitals too, as matter of street location and other.

Further:
"Picked up from the internet".

There is another non-cult consideration of Scientology that has a similar standing to the opinion-polling of 1000 people from the Social Sciences, it has to do with the number of members. That, regardless of the negative view of Scientology, a membermass that has reached a scope with more than 100 Churches and Missions around the planet, with a ship, Freewinds, and all from appx. 3 members to 30 million members or more, can't, simply CAN NOT, be described as cult, that the words on the Scientology Ethics by "The Way to Happiness" - "A Common Sense Guide to Better Living".

That we who are with Scientology can now easily deflect/dismiss any criticism against what we believe in and that a simple word for this to fx. the Cult Awareness Network can be made as a pre-emptive measure. That we stand absolutely defended under L. Ron Hubbard's brilliant contribution to human kind!
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Aetixintro wrote: Here's the presentation of non-cult Scientology that a religious movement built on something very admirable: non-authoritarian in nature and more...

THE AIMS OF SCIENTOLOGY
Written by L. Ron Hubbard in September 1965.

A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where Man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology.

Source: http://www.scientology.org/what-is-scie ... ology.html.

Please, add the Basics, incl. The Way to Happiness and A New Slant on Life, then add the very excellent book, Scientology 0 - 8, The Book of Basics.

Inside Book of Basics you find something very special, p. 133: the "S" column that comments on the "Ethic Level" and "down there" with "Tone Scale" 1.1 and 0.5, it reads: "Sex criminals. Negative ethics. Deviously dishonest. Perverts honesty without reason." and "Non-existent. Not thinking. Obeying anyone. [Understood very negatively, obeying the hideous, I suspect.]. On top, then, 4.0, "Bases ethics on reason. Very high ethic level."

Great or what? :D :D :D 8-)

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(Edit:)
The Basic Books, no more than 6 - 8 when I bought them: http://www.bridgepub.com/store/catalog/ ... index.html.

The reasoning for Non-Cult Scientology:
Why Scientology can be described as religious (and not cult)

Scientology, for removing petty quarrel below the worth of the readers of this discussion page, can be described as religious out of these reasons:

1. That it has a goal for humanity or sentience of inifinity, by the 8th dynamic.

2. That it has a special standing ascribed to human beings beyond being animals, that is, how it describes people as „Thetans“, people with body and soul.

3. It elevates or describes human beings within a definite ethical context, i.e., something along the 10 commandments for this inifinity to be achieved.
- also see „Aims of Scientology“.

4. It abides to certain common corpus as movement that can plausibly be followed by everybody, also the autonomy-principle for its members, New Slant on Life, pp. 33 onwards.
- this point also removes, along with the others, that Scientology can ever be a cult in the true sense. A signal for this is its churches and missions always placed decently with the cities, usually the capitals too, as matter of street location and other.

Further:
"Picked up from the internet".

There is another non-cult consideration of Scientology that has a similar standing to the opinion-polling of 1000 people from the Social Sciences, it has to do with the number of members. That, regardless of the negative view of Scientology, a membermass that has reached a scope with more than 100 Churches and Missions around the planet, with a ship, Freewinds, and all from appx. 3 members to 30 million members or more, can't, simply CAN NOT, be described as cult, that the words on the Scientology Ethics by "The Way to Happiness" - "A Common Sense Guide to Better Living".

That we who are with Scientology can now easily deflect/dismiss any criticism against what we believe in and that a simple word for this to fx. the Cult Awareness Network can be made as a pre-emptive measure. That we stand absolutely defended under L. Ron Hubbard's brilliant contribution to human kind!
Lafayette was a 3rd rate SF writer who figured there was more money in religion. So he turned one of his 4th rate SF stories into a cult and the rest is history, especially for the gullible.
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10CC "speaks volumes of wisdom..."!

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Sometimes I wonder if "10 cc(m)" is a description of your own head!

Try to inform yourself more on the topics you write about, please!

Are you religious at all?
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Aetixintro wrote: Sometimes I wonder if "10 cc(m)" is a description of your own head!

Try to inform yourself more on the topics you write about, please!

Are you religious at all?
What concerning my comment did you find uninformed?

Very funny though.

But seriously, even you could write a better story than Lafayette. Wander off and give it a go.
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Aetixintro wrote: Sometimes I wonder if "10 cc(m)" is a description of your own head!
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Personal attacks and rubbish comments...

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If I may, dear Moderator,

10CC seems to fail to respond to Post 1 in 10CC's Post 2, by "not very useful comment":
Lafayette was a 3rd rate SF writer who figured there was more money in religion. So he turned one of his 4th rate SF stories into a cult and the rest is history, especially for the gullible.
I fail to see how this is supposed to respect all of the millions of Scientologists in the World when 10CC is probably far away from such achievement in 10CC's life.

Why is it that may peaceful posting should fall victim to such verbiage? I find it RUDE, indeed! (Though, as the moderation warning says, I may have overreacted a bit!
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The deep misconceptions of Scientology...

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As much as the Mormons are known to only/mostly reside in Utah, so is Scientology also a big undertaking:

Bringing Scientology to the World

The new 185,000-square-foot Church of Scientology International Dissemination and Distribution Center is a one-of-a-kind printing and production facility. It houses manufacturing, distribution and administration all under one roof and is manned entirely by Church staff members. This new Center generates dissemination materials for the more than 10,000 Scientology Churches, Missions and affiliated groups worldwide, enabling these organizations to meet the unprecedented demand for Scientology services and programs.

Source: http://www.scientology.org/churches.html.
About: http://www.scientology.org/churches/bri ... world.html.

A list of the Churches and other by Scientology:

United States of America
http://www.scientology.org/churches/reg ... erica.html

United Kingdom
http://www.scientology.org/churches/reg ... ngdom.html

Latin America
http://www.scientology.org/churches/reg ... erica.html

Europe
http://www.scientology.org/churches/regions/europe.html

Canada
http://www.scientology.org/churches/regions/canada.html

Asia & Oceania
http://www.scientology.org/churches/reg ... eania.html

Africa
http://www.scientology.org/churches/regions/africa.html

FLAG LAND BASE, 3:
http://www.scientology.org/churches/flag-land-base.html

One, fx.: THE FORT HARRISON
http://www.scientology.org/churches/fla ... rison.html

PS: Scientology thus in no way fits into the small mindedness by the above comment from 10CC. That I think he should apologise "to the many" behind such large organisation of Church.

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http://www.lronhubbard.org/awards-and-r ... uthor.html, noting 4 Guiness World Records.
"The World's Most Published and Most Translated Author" - http://mediaresources.lronhubbard.org/press/page08.htm. With added: "The total sales of Hubbard's fiction and non-fiction works have surpassed 230 million copies with 19 New York Times best-sellers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_wo ... on_Hubbard - take any quote.
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supporting documents of their vision

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fellow members here is some internal documents. If one goes to their official site, you of course get the politically correct, gentle version of their...."religion". One has to dig just a tad deeper to find the depth of their..."view". They work very hard to snuff out anything written against them and sling law suits like a fry cook slings potatoes at anyone who takes a stand in the media. Lot of info out there on them, feel free to do a little research, it is eye opening to say the least. Here is what I was able to find within 2 mins of looking last night...


http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Church_of_S ... _documents...

http://www.xenu.net/archive/secret.html

http://jeta.home.xs4all.nl/scn/ot3/ot3.html

http://unchain.gr/seizeddocs.html

and the final document in his handwriting no less....

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII/

Then consider this famous quote from the good creator of this.."religion";

Response to a question from the audience during a meeting of the Eastern Science Fiction Association on (7 November 1948), as quoted in a 1994 affidavit by Sam Moskowitz.

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion".

He said it, he did it, and they fell for it.

So is it really the gentle, thoughtful enlightening thing they say publicly and on their propaganda site?...or a dark devious, financially driven mind crush? I would hope we are too smart to take it at face value...

Cult or religion? positive impact or negative? The fact they are trying to spread like a virus isn't surprising, or in anyway indicative of some sort of good quality for doing so...besides the OP's positive spin on such a ..unique enterprising business model, what is your perspectives?

cnorman18

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I think this bears repeating on this thread:

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Just my opinion, and I don't intend to pursue a debate on the subject -- the facts are too obvious -- but from everything I've read and know, and according to many people who have left it, Scientology is neither a cult nor a religion. It is a racket, and neither the founders nor the present-day leaders of Scientology ever really believed in their line of high-priced nonsense. It was and is a criminal enterprise, intended to fleece the suckers, from before it was ever founded.

Here's the EVIDENCE -- documented quotes from L. Ron Hubbard himself:

On his goals and methods:
L. Ron Hubbard wrote: Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.
-- As quoted in the Los Angeles Times (27 August 1978)

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.
-- Lecture: "Off the Time Track" (June 1952) as quoted in Journal of Scientology issue 18-G, reprinted in Technical Volumes of Dianetics & Scientology Vol. 1, p. 418

You can get a much better fee — I tell you as auditors quite frankly — it's much easier to get a great deal of money out of somebody who's on a down spiral into becoming MEST than it is to get money out of somebody who is going on an up spiral toward becoming theta.
-- "Philadelphia Doctorate Course" #15 (1952)
His claims about Scientology:
L. Ron Hubbard wrote: Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns.
-- All About Radiation (1952) p. 109

You are only three or four hours from taking your glasses off for keeps.
-- "Eyesight and glasses" in Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin Vol. 2, No. 7, (January 1952)

Twenty-five hours of Scientology by an auditor who fairly understands how to process arthritis can be said to produce an invariable alleviation of the condition. Some cases, even severe ones, have responded in as little as two hours of processing, according to reports from auditors in the field.
-- Journal of Scientology Issue 1-G, (1952)

Leukemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to water.'
-- Journal of Scientology Issue 15-G (1953)

Not smoking enough will cause lung cancer! If anybody is getting a cancerous activity in the lung, the probabilities are that it's radiation dosage coupled with the fact that he smokes. And what it does is start to run out the radiation dosage, don't you see.
-- Saint Hill Special Briefing Course 35 (19 July 1961)

Advanced Courses are the most valuable service on the planet. Life insurance, houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, all are transitory and impermanent ... There is nothing to compare with Advanced Courses. They are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself.
-- On his Operating Thetan Courses, in Flag Mission Order 375 (1970)

Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases, asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalog of illnesses goes away and stays away.
-- 1987 Edition of Dianetics : The Modern Science of Mental Health (1950)p. 72
On his methods of dealing with critics:
L. Ron Hubbard wrote: Now, get this as a technical fact, not a hopeful idea. Every time we have investigated the background of a critic of Scientology, we have found crimes for which that person or group could be imprisoned under existing law. We do not find critics of Scientology who do not have criminal pasts.
-- "Critics of Scientology" (5 November 1967)

The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.
-- A Manual on the Dissemination of Material (1955)

If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.
-- Dept. of Govt. Affairs policy letter (15 August 1960)

A truly Suppressive Person or group has no rights of any kind and actions taken against them are not punishable.
-- "Ethics, Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists" policy letter (1 March 1965)

This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.
-- "Attacks on Scientology" policy letter (25 February 1966)

ENEMY: SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
-- "Penalties for Lower Conditions" policy letter (18 October 1967)

The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.
This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP.
-- "Cancellation of Fair Game" policy letter (21 October 1968)

A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6) sterilize her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them.
-- Confidential memo "Project Psychiatry" (22 February 1966)
(I guess that last one explains some of Tom Cruise's more bizarre pronouncements)

If this guy wasn't a lying snake-oil salesman who founded a criminal organization, I don't know what that would look like.

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Another misunderstanding - Psychiatry

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Some people happen to think that Scientologists are some unscientific people. THEY ARE NOT!

This relates to psychiatry and superstitions to Scientology more, to which we in Scientology answers:

Beliefs in Myth - The critics are far out, with Xenu too, again!

It should be noted that the official view on Psychiatry as science is up to each and every Scientology-member on grounds of the Autonomy-principle, one of the best in the World for religious followers, described in A New Slant on Life, p. 33 and some pages onwards. Also, Hervey Cleckley lists "The Psychopath as psychiatrist" in chapter 24 of Mask of Sanity, 3rd., 1955, by Hervey Cleckley, that, of course, fuels an objective criticism against parts of psychiatry.

By this, the critics commit the logical fallacy of universalisability, thinking that criticising one part of psychiatry makes one an "enemy" to all of psychiatry, that's ridiculous to think of modern people in 2013, living and enjoying the information society.

Good?

Links, 3:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Sanity.
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