Al-Fatihah wrote:Response: As usual, you sound senseless. The topic is taqiyya. Mentioning the chapters names proves what? You are the one mentioning them. You brought them up. Therefore, it is for you to show what in the world it has to do with your claim about taqiyya. You provided.....nothing. Therefore, it remains a weak strawman. So as usual, you expose and refute yourself. Try again.
First off, you said it's a strawman argument to make a claim about the surah's being titled as "family" and "bees." My reference, as you put it, of bees and family 'is a weak strawman.' Now you deflect the attention away from your big blunder and say whats the whole point of this debate?
I think we all have the right to set up the foundations for our argument before jumping in without any grounding or context. I was using surah 3 and 16 so I should at least write down the titles of them to clarify my questions, no? Is there something wrong with that?
Did you forget that you said, 'I made a claim about islam being a religion of war?' I told you I used a question. I never made a statement that islam is a religion of war. My only claim was your surahs are titled bees and family.
And I asked if they are all related to war to prove your point on why taqiyya is used. I think you lost track of your own argument.
You said with your own words that it is a strawman argument to say the quran has a book titled "family" and "bees." This is another side point here. I suggest you correct yourself on this position to continue forward:
Al-Fatihah wrote:
So your reference of bees and family is a weak strawman to distract from the fact that your arguments for taqiyya failed. I don't address strawman. Last, shirk doe not mean lying. That's why lying does not mean shirk. Simple.
I made a claim about surah 3 and 16 about the title it is named by and
you said it is a strawman argument to do so. By ignoring the issue you created, are you trying to dismiss all accountability of what you said now? You cannot remember what you said? Look at the last quote. That is you saying in paraphrase that, 'surahs Family and Bees dont exist.' That means you don't acknowledge your surahs in your quran as they are. That means you deny your book as you still try to make fallacious claims about islam. That also could implie you are involving Taqiyya, deception, and misdirection to make your point about islam being truthful. Clearly it is not.
My question was:
Where does it mention of it being of war only? One chapter talks about family and the other about bees. Is it about your family being about war? not peace? Or is it about unleashing bees as a sign of war with your family? (POST 6)
You never answered this question but said, 'I made a statement here that islam is a religion of war' when I only asked if it was. Clearly you cannot answer it but keep calling my arguments strawman and you deliberately avoid the stances you took to keep this conversation going in a whole other direction. I understand. You don't want to answer my question but you prefer to attack my character instead.
So please correct yourself. Stop changing stances from your original arguments. It only shows how much more convoluted your religion is.
Al-Fatihah wrote:
intheabyss wrote:
How have I failed when I only asked you a question? A question fails? I'm not allowed to ask questions?
Perhaps if I made a statement, 'that your religion of islam is about families of war unleashing bees' could be deemed ignorant. Instead of making that statement I used a question. But to ask a question is already wrong and fails?
This is the tolerance you have for those who ask simple questions? To tell them they fail and are strawman? Perhaps you are avoiding the question with strawman arguments yourself.
Lying could cause you to commit shirk. Not impossible. You give god status to a man that belongs only to allah. Therefore your lie to save your own life commits shirk.
Response:
You made a claim. A question has a question mark at the end. You said: "One chapter talks about family and the other about bees". That is a claim. Not a question. Debunked. Last, if lying causes you to commit shirk, that's your problem. That doesn't mean lying is shirk because you chose to commit shirk.
Yea I made a claim that about the title of your surahs. If you disagree with that you deny your book. My question was:
Where does it mention of it being of war only? One chapter talks about family and the other about bees. Is it about your family being about war? not peace? Or is it about unleashing bees as a sign of war with your family? (POST 6)
Clearly this question is not making a claim about your religion being about war. Yet you say I made the claim. Go back and read these quotes. Unless you are too slothful to do so. As I am doing all the work here.
And please answer the question. If not, don't bother because it shows afraid of the answer. Attacking my character is not really answering the question, is it?