Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?

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Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?

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Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?

"In order for them* to generate support beyond their small group, they have to latch onto universal symbols, and this is where Islam becomes a target of convenience for them," says Nyang

People combine pieces of verse from the Koran and use it to justify their actions, says Khouj. "But to understand the full meaning of the verse," he says, "you have to read the one before it, the one after it, maybe five to six verses to get the full picture."

The "full picture" of Islam and the Koran, say Khouj and Nyang, is captured by Chapter 5, Verse 32: "f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ran_2.html
* The terrorists

One may like to read the full article titled "Koran a Book of Peace, Not War, Scholars Say" by Peter Standring, National Geographic Today, September 25, 2001

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Bust Nak wrote:
paarsurrey1 wrote: No idols were broken by Muhammad and or his followers while they lived with the Meccans, please. Right, please.
While they lived with the Meccans as in before the conquest of Mecca? I said after the conquest of Mecca.
I was discussing the period before migration of Muhammad that was forced by the Meccans on Muhammad and his followers to Medina:

"The Hegira or Hijrath (Arabic: ه�جْرَة‎) is the migration or journey of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and his followers from Mecca to Yathrib, later renamed by him to Medina, in the year 622.[1] In June 622, after being warned of a plot to assassinate him, Muhammad secretly left his home in Mecca to emigrate to Yathrib, 320 km (200 mi) north of Mecca, along with his companion Abu Bakr.[6] Yathrib was soon renamed Madīnat an-Nabī (Arabic: مَـديـنـة الـنّـبي‎, literally "City of the Prophet"), but an-Nabī was soon dropped, so its name is "Medina", meaning "the city".[7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegira

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Right, and I am talking about after the conquest of Mecca, the existing religions were destroyed.

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Bust Nak wrote: [Replying to post 41 by paarsurrey1]

Right, and I am talking about after the conquest of Mecca, the existing religions were destroyed.
Sorry, I want to go in the chronological order, please. Right, please?

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
Bust Nak wrote: Right, and I am talking about after the conquest of Mecca, the existing religions were destroyed.
Sorry, I want to go in the chronological order, please. Right, please?
Okay, the Muslims were merely preaching against other religion, without actively disrupting them before the migration to Medina.

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Bust Nak wrote:
paarsurrey1 wrote:
Bust Nak wrote: Right, and I am talking about after the conquest of Mecca, the existing religions were destroyed.
Sorry, I want to go in the chronological order, please. Right, please?
Okay, the Muslims were merely preaching against other religion, without actively disrupting them before the migration to Medina.
Yes Muslim were only witnessing what they sincerely believed and propagating their religions to others and propagation is a basic human right. Right, please?

Muhammad was a peaceful and charitable person, he never had a quarrel or fight with anybody, he never grouped with such persons, he was never trained for battle/war, his true reputation was of an honest and sincere person in the Meccans. He had no ambitions for any office or fame:

"From very childhood he was given to reflection and meditation. In the quarrels and rivalries of others he took no part, except with a view to putting an end to them. It is said that the tribes living in Mecca and the territories around, tired of unending blood-feuds, resolved to found an association the purpose of which was to help victims of aggressive and unjust treatment. When the Holy Prophet heard of this, he gladly joined. Members of this association gave an undertaking in the following terms:

They will help those who were oppressed and will restore them their rights, as
long as the last drop of water remained in the sea. And if they do not do so, they will compensate the victims out of their own belongings.

It seems that no other member of this association was ever called upon to
discharge the undertaking solemnly entered into by members of this association. But opportunity came to the Holy Prophet when he had announced his Mission. His worst enemy was Abu Jahl, a chief of Mecca. He preached social boycott and public humiliation of the Prophet. About that time a person from outside came to Mecca.

Money was due to him from Abu Jahl, but Abu Jahl refused to pay. He mentioned this to people in Mecca. Some young men, out of sheer mischief, suggested that he should approach the Prophet. They thought that the Prophet would refuse to do anything for fear of the general opposition to him and particularly for fear of the opposition of Abu Jahl. If he refused to help this man, he would be said to have broken his pledge to the association. If, on the other hand, he did not refuse and chose to approach Abu Jahl for the restitution of this loan, Abu Jahl was certain to turn him away with contempt.

This man went to the Prophet and complained to him about Abu Jahl. The Prophet, hesitating not a minute, stood up, went with the man and knocked at Abu Jahl’s door. Abu Jahl came out and saw that his creditor was standing with the Prophet. The Prophet mentioned the loan and suggested its payment. Abu Jahl was taken aback and, making no excuses, paid at once. When the other chiefs of Mecca heard of this they reproved Abu Jahl, telling him how weak and selfcontradictory he had proved. He preached the social boycott of the Prophet, yet he himself accepted direction from the Prophet and paid a loan on his suggestion. In self-defence, Abu Jahl pleaded that any other person would have done the same. He told them that as he saw the Prophet standing at his door, he also saw two wild camels standing one on each side, ready to attack. We cannot say what this experience was.

Was it a miraculous appearance designed to upset Abu Jahl or was it the awe-inspiring presence of the Prophet which produced this hallucination? A man hated and oppressed by a whole town had taken the courage to go alone to the leader of that town and demand the restitution of a loan. Maybe this very unexpected sight frightened Abu Jahl and for a moment made him forget what he had sworn to do against the Prophet, and forced him to do as the Prophet suggested.

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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/I ... -Quran.pdf

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paarsurrey1 wrote: Yes Muslim were only witnessing what they sincerely believed and propagating their religions to others and propagation is a basic human right. Right, please?
No, this is not a basic human right, it depends exactly on what you are propagating.
Muhammad was a peaceful and charitable person, he never had a quarrel or fight with anybody...
Are we still restricting the timeline to pre exile only? Because I don't know how you can say that when he fought a war with the Meccian. At best you can say he was provoked.

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paarsurrey1 wrote:

Yes Muslim were only witnessing what they sincerely believed and propagating their religions to others and propagation is a basic human right. Right, please?
Bust Nak:
No, this is not a basic human right, it depends exactly on what you are propagating.
I meant the following:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."*

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*Article 18: UNITED NATIONS:"Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
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Answer is still the same, stuff about believing and freedom of thought, that much is fine. The latter part about manifesting his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance, that depends exactly on what the specifics are, the same way the freedom of speech does not allow you to endanger other people with what you say.

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Bust Nak wrote: [Replying to post 47 by paarsurrey1]

Answer is still the same, stuff about believing and freedom of thought, that much is fine. The latter part about manifesting his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance, that depends exactly on what the specifics are, the same way the freedom of speech does not allow you to endanger other people with what you say.
I was talking in terms of the Article 18: UNITED NATIONS:"Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declarat ... an-rights/

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paarsurrey1 wrote: I was talking in terms of the Article 18: UNITED NATIONS:"Universal Declaration of Human Rights"
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declarat ... an-rights/
Right, what of it? Perhaps you should pay more attention to the other 29 articles.

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