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Muhammad, a pedophile or child molester?

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I rarely delve into the Islamic faith or any of its elements; however, I did happen upon the following which I found rather interesting.

Please know that the events related below don't appear to mark Muhammad as a pedophile as the term is psychiatricly understood, but rather in it's more colloquial usage as a child sexual molester.

"Evidence that Muhammad was a pedophile.

For the Western mind, perhaps the most disturbing fact about Islam is that its founder had a sexual relationship with a nine-year-old girl. Because of this, it has become increasingly popular in some circles to refer to the Prophet of Islam as a "pedophile." This is, of course, extremely offensive to Muslims, who view Muhammad as the ideal servant of God and as the greatest example of what a man should strive to be. Nevertheless, Muhammad’s relationship with a young girl presents a problem for Muslims, especially for those who want to share their faith with others.


The evidence for Muhammad’s marriage to the nine-year-old Aisha is too strong to be ignored.


The problem with the selective and carefully edited defense just given (other than the complete lack of references) is that it ignores the numerous accounts we now possess which record Aisha’s age when Muhammad consummated his marriage to her. Many of these accounts are from Aisha herself. Indeed, the evidence for Muhammad’s marriage to the young Aisha is as strong as the evidence for just about any other fact in Islam. We have copious traditions relating Muhammad’s marriage proposal when Aisha was six or seven years old, as well as his consummation of that marriage when she was nine:

Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married her when she was six years old, and he consummated her in marriage when she was nine years old. Then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Khadijah died three years before the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) departed to Madina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.

Urwa narrated: The Prophet (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years.
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

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ASSESSMENT: While the evidence isn’t enough to condemn Muhammad as a "pedophile," his sexual relationship with Aisha is unacceptable.

Muhammad has been accused of pedophilia in numerous writings, sermons, and conversations. We have seen that the earliest Muslim traditions offer support for this view. However, the evidence sustaining the charge of pedophilia is perhaps too limited to warrant such a harsh conclusion. We know that Muhammad had a sexual relationship with a young girl, and that this was reprehensible. Yet we must take cultural differences into consideration in formulating an accurate appraisal of a person’s character. In Muhammad’s society, sexual intercourse was acceptable when a girl reached menses, and Muhammad may have waited until Aisha had reached this age. (Note: There’s no good historical evidence that Muhammad waited for Aisha to reach menses. However, I think it’s important to be generous in our interpretations as much as possible, so I’m willing to grant, for the sake of argument, that Aisha had reached puberty.)

Similarly, we don’t have enough information to call Muhammad a "pervert." While Muhammad’s sexual acts may seem startling, we don’t know enough about the nature of these acts to condemn him as a sexual deviant or a predator.

Nevertheless, Muslims are too hasty in dismissing Muhammad’s relationship with Aisha. We can’t simply ignore a prophet’s marriage to a nine-year-old girl. Muslims view Muhammad as the highest example of a moral life, but his marriage to Aisha conflicts with that view. If they want to put Muhammad forward as the standard of morality, Muslims need to come to terms with the many questionable things Muhammad did, as well as the awful impact of these actions."
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So, do you think taking "cultural differences into consideration" is enough to absolve an adult from having sex with a nine year-old (fourth grade) child?

Your thoughts?


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No, of course our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) wasn't a pedophile or child molester!! In fact, we get quite offended by statements such as these!

And also, we're proud of our Prophet's Marriage to Aisha (R.A.)!
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muslimforever wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:49 am No, of course our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) wasn't a pedophile or child molester!! In fact, we get quite offended by statements such as these!
Pedophiles, by definition, are attracted to young girls, commonly understood to be prepubescent. Regardless of when ol Muhammad there got to consummate the deal, marrying a little girl has all the hallmarks of being a pedophile.
And also, we're proud of our Prophet's Marriage to Aisha (R.A.)!
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[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #22]

GIve me what is the standard to call anyone pedophile.
When I can apply the judgment of the pedophile person ?!
What is the age a girl can be suitable for marriage and on what basis was this age defined ?!

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mms20102 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:23 pm GIve me what is the standard to call anyone pedophile.
Here.
When I can apply the judgment of the pedophile person ?!
I'm not aware of your schedule. Maybe check a calendar for the current date.
What is the age a girl can be suitable for marriage and on what basis was this age defined ?!
Parently 9, as defind by ol pedophile Muhammad there.
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[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #24]

If this is your basis then you failed to understand historical facts.
If we apply your rules millions of people at the past were pedophiles.
The word children should be defined when a child will turn to be adult.
If we go back to early English kings we will find some married 9 years old girl that had a child at the age of 7.
So what is the basis to call someone child or adult and why?!

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mms20102 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:41 pm If this is your basis then you failed to understand historical facts.
If we apply your rules millions of people at the past were pedophiles.
It's not my rules, it's a definition.
The word children should be defined when a child will turn to be adult.
Of course many children will become adults, but they remain children until then.
If we go back to early English kings we will find some married 9 years old girl that had a child at the age of 7.
Pedophiles ain't bound to geography or eras.
So what is the basis to call someone child or adult and why?!
If you don't understand the difference, I doubt I can help ya.

If you wanna call a little 9 year old child an adult, that's on you.
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[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #26]

You are committing a fallacy right now. Argumentum ad populum.
I asked a simple question yet you say because it's so and everybody agree.
1- I need the standard age to call someone pedophile or for a child to adult.
2- Based on what this age was defined.

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mms20102 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:41 pmIf we apply your rules millions of people at the past were pedophiles.
Probably.
mms20102 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:41 pmIf we go back to early English kings we will find some married 9 years old girl that had a child at the age of 7.
I doubt this is true, but if it is, it's still not okay.
mms20102 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:41 pmSo what is the basis to call someone child or adult and why?!
There are a number of valid distinctions between children and adults that affect sexual health. Emotional maturity, intellectual development, physical development, and the age difference between partners are all recognized factors. A nine-year-old Aisha was firmly on the "child" side of all of these. Muhammad was firmly on the "belongs in jail" side.

You can play your definition games all you want, but at the end of the day, no slope is slippery enough.
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Look, Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) didn't consummate the marriage with Aisha until she reached puberty, which, for her, was at the age of 9 years; even though he married her when she was 6 years old.

So once again: we Muslims are very proud of our Prophet's marriage to Aisha.
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mms20102 wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:23 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #26]

You are committing a fallacy right now. Argumentum ad populum.
Really! Just what did he say in post 26 that amounts to an Argumentum ad populum?.

I asked a simple question yet you say because it's so and everybody agree.
Where? Where did he say "and everybody agree[s]" or words to that effect?

1- I need the standard age to call someone pedophile or for a child to adult.
"What is the age of childhood?
childhood, period of the human lifespan between infancy and adolescence, extending from ages 1–2 to 12–13

The term "childhood" denotes that period in the human lifespan from the acquisition of language at one or two years to the onset of adolescence at 12 or 13 years."

Source: Encyclopedia Britannica

2- Based on what this age was defined.
Assuming you agree that childhood begins after infancy, around the age of 1-2 as stated above, in short: childhood ends at "The onset of the physical and emotional changes of puberty and the acquisition of the logical processes of adults mark the end of childhood and the start of adolescence."

See HERE for additional explanation.


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