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Most of the boys I grew up with really wanted to experience sleeping with a girl at least once in their lives. Well; the Viet Nam war foreshortened the lives of a pretty large number of boys in their teens, and also young men in their early twenties, who never got to see their dream come true. On top of that, some of them not only missed out on sleeping with a girl, but they went straight to Hell from the battlefield.

I can only imagine how grief-stricken those guys must be. They not only missed out on this life, but the next too. Hell for them is a double whammy of despair; defined by Webster's as utter loss of hope. i.e. to expect neither relief nor improvement in one's circumstances.

â—� Eccl 3:1 . . To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.

Well; there's a time for love-- in Hell there's no going back to make up for lost time.
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Re: Hell's Immigrants

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WebersHome wrote:[font=Verdana]â—� Eccl 3:1 . . To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.

Well; there's a time for love-- in Hell there's no going back to make up for lost time.
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I find it interesting that you quote Ecclesiastes in a thread lamenting Hell. Aside from a few strained apologetic arguments, it's pretty obvious that the author of Ecclesiastes didn't believe in Hell, Heaven, or any other kind of afterlife.

[font=Verdana]â—� Eccl 9:4-6 . . For to him that is joined with all the living there is hope; for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun.[/font]

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Re: Hell's Immigrants

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WebersHome wrote:[font=Verdana]â—� Eccl 3:1 . . To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.

Well; there's a time for love-- in Hell there's no going back to make up for lost time.
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I find it interesting that you quote Ecclesiastes in a thread lamenting Hell. Aside from a few strained apologetic arguments, it's pretty obvious that the author of Ecclesiastes didn't believe in Hell, Heaven, or any other kind of afterlife.

[font=Verdana] â—� Eccl 9:4-6 . . For to him that is joined with all the living there is hope; for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun.[/font]

Have you considered that Ecclesiastes is a dialogue between the secular, material worldly pov and the pov of a Man of GOD? It is a constant phrase and rebuttal of the differences between the two contentions,

not just one fairly schizophrenic view point from one person about life.

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Immigration Update: 975 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 59,285,850 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 18, 2017.

That's enough people to populate more than seven cites the size of New York, and/or fourteen cities the size of Los Angeles.

God designated His son to judge all those people. (John 5:22-23, Acts 17:31, 2Tim 4:1). I sometimes wonder how Christ is ever going to get around to everybody on an individual basis. But you know what? . . time is on his side; he has more than enough to work with.
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According to Luke 16:22, angels provided Lazarus' transportation to Abraham's location. The Bible doesn't say who, or what, provided the rich man's transportation to the other location.

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to observe in a Hollywood movie occurs in "GHOST" starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. When someone marked for hell passes away, these eerie phantoms emerge, uttering awful moans, and drag their panic-stricken prey down into the ground. I don't know if any of that is true or not; but it seems plausible.

But can you picture in your mind's eye just how shocking and terrifying it would be to die and of a sudden be able to see the spirit creatures all around us stalking people day and night 24/7 without our knowing, patiently waiting the moment when they can haul us off?

Immigration Update: 985 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 59,893,910 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 18, 2017.
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Speaking strictly for myself, I have yet to come to terms with the thought of incarcerating the lost in an eternal, burning, suffering, dehydrating hell with no intermission day or night 24/7/365. I would much prefer that they simply be quarantined and cared for, sort of like a leper colony.

If God doesn't want them in heaven, okay, because there are quite a few people in this world that I don't want anywhere near me in the next life. But I would like it better if He would just exile the lost instead of making them an exhibit of sideshow freaks.

†. Isa 66:23-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me: says The Lord. And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.

Immigration Update: 990 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 60,197,940 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 18, 2017.
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†. Matt 5:8 . . Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

A rough-hewn definition of "pure in heart" is when someone is the same on the inside as they are on the outside; which is just the opposite of dissembling; defined as: to put on a false appearance, i.e. conceal facts, intentions, or feelings under some pretense.

Dissembling is a very common form of dishonesty which is practiced by just about everybody at one time or another. Most of us do not always want others to know what we are actually thinking and/or feeling about certain things. The very opposite of that is transparency, which most of us want from others, but prefer not to reciprocate with transparency of our own.

Here's a really good example of someone pure in heart.

"When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false." (John 1:47)

Jesus was pure in heart too.

"No deceit was found in his mouth." (1Pet 2:22)

I think we may safely assume there are no exceptions to the sixth beatitude, i.e. no one is exempt; in other words: sincerity and forthrightness aren't optional with God; they're mandatory.

"Who may ascend into the hill of The Lord? And who may stand in His holy place? He who has . . . a pure heart . . . he shall receive a blessing from The Lord." (Ps 24:3-5)

Immigration Update: 1006 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 61,170,836 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 18, 2017.
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I obtain quite a bit of useful information from YouTube; for example how to replace a microwave oven's motor, resolve a computer issue, and/or adjust an electric guitar's intonation.

I also tour the world with YouTube, visiting amazing man-made wonders and natural wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders for myself as they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a one-thousand year era on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of opportunity to see everything in the next life that I missed in this one.

†. Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents of the great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient Egyptians build the pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move those massive stone heads into position? Is there an end to space; and if so, what's on the other side? Things like that; but also nature's secrets too. How did nature fashion those remarkable rock formations in Utah? Or carve out the Grand Canyon?

There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to some day. But people in hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They will never get answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be allowed to travel to all the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life before passing on to the next.

Another benefit to the coming era is safety. I will have nothing to fear from the animal kingdom like I do now, and plus; those of us who make the cut will be immortal; so we won't fear heights, nor speed, nor any other risk. I love to explore, but don't like to explore places that might cost me my life, lose an eye, or put me in a wheel chair. Well; in the future, I'll be able to explore every corner of the globe to my heart's content in perfect safety and thoroughly enjoy myself without worrying about hazards associated with the journey like piranha, head hunters, frost bite, hypothermia, violent storms, hijackers, terrorists, bandits, and/or shipwreck.

One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well, diminished capacity will never again be a factor dictating what I can eat and drink, were I can go, nor whether I can make it.

†. Rev 20:5-6 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.

People in hell are not only in terrible discomfort, but they're also missing out on the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration; which are three very stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met would agree, make our existence worthwhile.

Immigration Update: 1014 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 61,657,284 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 18, 2017.
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The apostle Paul, writing to Christians in the ancient city of Colossi, said:

†. Col 3:9-10 . . Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

» It's interesting that the Colossian believers were lying to each other, and no doubt would have continued had not Paul commanded them to stop it. «

Humanity's original self began its created existence in the image of God (Gen 1:26-27). In other words; Adam started off as an honest man. Clearly then; dishonesty does not reflect the image of God, rather, it projects humanity's own image.

Humanity's original self wasn't created bullet-proof, so to speak. It was corruptible (Eph 4:22). Were that not true, we'd all be honest men rather than a pack of liars, deceivers, beguilers, and dissemblers.

The Greek word for "renewed" is anakainoo (an-ak-ahee-no'-o) which means: to renovate; defined by Webster's as: (1) to restore to a former better state (as by cleaning, repairing, or rebuilding), and (2) to restore to life, vigor, or activity, i.e. revive. In other words: regenerate.

That word anakainoo appears in only one other place in the entire New Testament at 2Cor 4:16, which says:

"Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day."

Quite a few elderly Christians, with years of life and personal experience under their belts, can attest to the truth of Col 3:10 and 2Cor 4:16

This relates to one of the tragedies of Hell. People down there never gave God an opportunity to overhaul their spiritual condition; so now they're no better as persons in the afterlife than they were in this life. After all is said and done-- the big judgment of Rev 20:11-15 is completed, and the new cosmos of Rev 21:1 is up and running --Christ caps everything by announcing:

†. Rev 22:10 . . Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile.

In other words: bad people who end up in the ultimate Hell will remain just as bad there as they were here.

Immigration Update: 1020 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 62,022,120 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Sept 18, 2017.
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