Godless - The Church of Liberalism

[Easyrider]

GODLESS – The Church of Liberalism - is the most explosive book yet from #1 New York Times bestselling author Ann Coulter. In this completely original and thoroughly controversial work, Coulter writes, “Liberals love to boast that they are not ‘religious,’ which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as ‘religion.’ ” (Amazon.com review)

"If a Martian landed in America and set out to determine the nation's official state religion, he would have to conclude it is liberalism, while Christianity and Judaism are prohibited by law," Coulter writes in "Godless: The Church of Liberalism."

The WND columnist argues that while many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to traditional religion, to focus solely on the Left's attacks on Judeo-Christian tradition is to miss a larger point: Liberalism is a religion—a godless one.

Chapter headings in Coulter's "Godless" include "On the Seventh Day, God Rested and Liberals Schemed" and "Liberals' Doctrine of Infallibility: Sobbing Hysterical Women" and "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=50364

Let the fur fly.

[1John2_26]

1John2_26 wrote:
I was born in the south. I am a Christian. Enough Black Democrats voted a morally sound conscience to give Bush wins in both elections. The tide is starting to turn where African Americans are seeing the carpetbaggers are Democrat liberals.

Um, wrong. 90% of the African-American community voted for Gore in the 2000 elections and 88% voted for Kerry in 2004. In both elections, less than 10% of black votes went to Bush. From what I have seen, I think the majority of African-Americans in this country do know what is 'morally sound'.

Yeah polls. Like the ones the networks were running as "people" were exiting the polls. Overwhelmingly Kerry people. I know Pastors in the Chicago area. The African Community went for Bush in numbers they do not really like to talk about. 100% of me polled is telling you that.

It's quite telling, actually, that you use the term 'carpetbaggers' to refer to the liberals who represent the best interests of the black community. The original 'carpetbaggers' were liberal Republicans who went into the south to set up freemen's schools and bureaus at great risk to their own personal safety. Many liberal Republicans in the South were lynched or silenced through violence by conservative whites.

I was born in a southern state. You views about what carpetbaggers were, is enlightening. They were not liked because they were crooks. Now the south is going Republican because of moral issues plain and simple. Democrats represent a sick and twisted licentiousness that has literally infected those that embrace it. Are there not more whites on welfare (watching TV) in the south than blacks?

Liberal morality comes with chaos and anarchy (gangs and lawlessness) spawned by permissiveness and no accountability. There are conservative Democrats that vote with a far better conscience than a liberal politician that lives in a gated community while throwing a bone over their fence to appease those crushed by accepting socialist lies. I don't care if a person is a Democrat or a Republican, if they reject forcefully the liberal paradigm.

1John2_26 wrote:
I cannot ever agree with you on any point because too many anti-Christians are seeking the destruction of Christianity through liberal activists.

Then I pity you, that you don't dare speak out on what you know is right for fear of being seen with the wrong people.

I cannot be pitied for "not" speaking what I know is right for fear of being seen with wrong people. Debating with some of the people on this and other websites is literally communicating with the evil that possesses these people to act on their beliefs. I may be forceful in my presentation, but I certainly do not run away and hide. Pity me if I marched for peace in Boston while millions of people in the Congo are being slaughtered and raped. If I was that kind of person than you could condemn - but not pity - me in all honesty.

Jesus spoke a far more courageous line on this, by the way.

He was executed for calling people what they are. He tried to change people as well. He was ridiculed and insulted often. All He did was speak the truth.

But, not if He was a myth.

[Wyvern]

Yeah polls. Like the ones the networks were running as "people" were exiting the polls. Overwhelmingly Kerry people. I know Pastors in the Chicago area. The African Community went for Bush in numbers they do not really like to talk about. 100% of me polled is telling you that.

Probably why they are called exit polls, get enough data and they become very accurate. I guess you don't know much about polling methodology. One person can give an opinion, get a couple thousand people and they can give a statistic.

He was executed for calling people what they are. He tried to change people as well. He was ridiculed and insulted often. All He did was speak the truth.

He was executed because he was a rabble rouser and an upsetter of the orthodoxy of his day.

But, not if He was a myth.

What difference does it make if much of what he purportedly said has been mythologized? Much of the bible, especially the OT are obvious myths. How does the fact that something did not actually happen take away from the message? Other than many people have staked much on the bibles veracity.

[MagusYanam]

Yeah polls. Like the ones the networks were running as "people" were exiting the polls. Overwhelmingly Kerry people. I know Pastors in the Chicago area.

CNN, overwhelmingly Kerry people. Riiiiight. Tell it to the Marines.

I was born in a southern state. You views about what carpetbaggers were, is enlightening. They were not liked because they were crooks.

Northerners coming down to teach former slaves to read and write was a crime? Only in the eyes of white supremacists.

Now the south is going Republican because of moral issues plain and simple.

War, moral? Death penalty, moral? Tax cuts to rich people, moral? Subsidies to SUV drivers, moral? Under-the-table pawning of public-use land, moral? Those people have an extremely twisted sense of morality down there, and it certainly doesn't look like what the Biblical Jesus taught any more. Looks more like moneychanger morality.

Liberal morality comes with chaos and anarchy (gangs and lawlessness) spawned by permissiveness and no accountability.

Liberals are the ones cleaning up the chaos and anarchy left by consumer culture. And yet no one in this country has been given more leeway or held less accountable for his actions (or inaction) than one George W. Bush. You look at the motes in the eyes of city dwellers (not gated-community dwellers, mind you, you can find those in suburbia where the defence contractors live) while ignoring the log in your own. And that is reprehensible. Gospel-wise.

[Easyrider]

Liberals are the ones cleaning up the chaos and anarchy left by consumer culture.

Will you guys also be cleaning up your own AIDS and VD mess in San Francisco and elsewhere, and the costs of porno-related crime? How about paying the abortion tab for the 40+ million butchered unborn that you'll never see taxes collected on for your new social programs? After that, maybe you can reimburse American taxpayers for all the costs related to illicit drug use (addictions, incarcerations, etc.) that many of your fellow liberals want to legalize. When you get done with that I have another dozen or so of your liberal messes you can continue with.

[Easyrider]

Liberal Fundamentalism is a failed and destructive philosophical enterprise, replete with a host of anti-Biblical, pseudo-religious doctrines, that seeks to elevate the ways and “wisdom” of man above the wisdom and desires of God. It’s principle aim is the sacking of traditional Judaic and Christian values and beliefs, which are “revisited” through suspect liberal “scholarship” or politically-correct dogma in an effort to replace them with the tenets of carnal moral hedonism and the failed social doctrines of today’s liberal elitists .

The genesis of today’s liberal fundamentalists were the anti-traditionalist hedonists of the 1960's and 70's. They advocated fornication and “free-love”, illegal substance abuse, moral relativism, contempt for authority, and enjoyed a prosperous America founded on the very hard work and enterprise they sought to distance themselves from. The freedoms they enjoyed were purchased by the blood, sweat, and tears and personal sacrifices of the very forefathers they held in contempt.

Personal responsibility, self-restraint and self-sacrifice were often foreign concepts to them. “Right and wrong”, “good and evil” were arbitrarily revisited, for such concepts had no objective meaning to them. They had no objective rationality for their hedonistic philosophy other than it “feels good, so let’s do it”. The only righteous cause that qualified for support in their carnal minds was the undermining and revising of traditional American and Judeo-Christian values. They said not to trust anyone "over 30," and now they're over 30 and say, "Trust us, and what we teach!"

One of the most revered mantras of the liberal fundamentalists is “equality”. The net effect of this experiment was to elevate women via the degradation of men; promote racial equality by instituting racial-based preferences and reverse-discrimination; engender class warfare against people of means via their redistribution of wealth schemes (a concept centered in greed for other people’s money, rather than rely on one’s own personal initiative and work ethic); and elevate wickedness (sodomy, fornication, and other corrupt lifestyles) to the plateau of respectability at the expense of traditional Godly values.

Along with the failed liberal concept of equality was the mantra of liberal “tolerance”. However, liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be. It is a corrupted partisan philosophical perspective with its own rigid set of dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not embrace it, one may likely face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, and perhaps even legal reprisals. Liberal tolerance is therefore neither liberal nor tolerant.

Rather than truly embrace “freedom”, liberal fundamentalists seek to control virtually every aspect of the lives of the masses which are unfortunate enough to be under their fundamentalist rulership. They seek to outlaw SUV’s, impose smoking bans while advocating marijuana use, prohibit freedom of religious expression in government and public schools, advocate compulsory training in politically correct opinions and attitudes, seek to enforce Bible bans in schools and the workplace, embrace a de-facto litmus test against possible pro-life judicial nominees, seek to criminalize pro-life demonstrations through the RICO racketeering statute, seek to squelch free religious speech via “hate-speech” laws (Note Canada), and generally engage in a whole range of behaviors designed to subvert the U.S. Constitution and traditional American values.

IMO, Liberal fundamentalism generally undermines the basic effectiveness of the government, legislatures, and other societal elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism, anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence.

[MagusYanam]

Well, if people are done here blaming liberals in general for babies they don't kill, drugs they neither do nor sell, illicit sex they don't promote and venereal diseases they don't have, let's address some of these other falsehoods and ugly bits of bigotry.

Liberal Fundamentalism

An oxymoron. Fundamentalism is the notion of Biblical literalism that was a backlash to the religious scholarship of the Victorian era. Liberalism is the tradition that inspired the religious scholarship of the Victorian era.

It’s principle aim is the sacking of traditional Judaic and Christian values and beliefs

... even though most liberals practise Judaism and Christianity and value their own beliefs quite highly...

The genesis of today’s liberal fundamentalists were the anti-traditionalist hedonists of the 1960's and 70's.

Whoever wrote this is conflating 'liberal' with 'hippie'. My parents lived through the sixties and seventies, and are definitely liberal (though they were never hippies). But I, for one, am glad that as a result of the '60's and '70's, black people have the opportunity to live in the same neighbourhood I do and vote at the same polls. The Civil Rights movement may have been anti-traditional, but it had nothing to do with hedonism.

Personal responsibility, self-restraint and self-sacrifice were often foreign concepts to them. “Right and wrong”, “good and evil” were arbitrarily revisited, for such concepts had no objective meaning to them. They had no objective rationality for their hedonistic philosophy other than it “feels good, so let’s do it”.

Whoever wrote this obviously never took an ethics class.

One of the most revered mantras of the liberal fundamentalists is “equality”. The net effect of this experiment was to elevate women via the degradation of men; promote racial equality by instituting racial-based preferences and reverse-discrimination; engender class warfare against people of means via their redistribution of wealth schemes (a concept centered in greed for other people’s money, rather than rely on one’s own personal initiative and work ethic); and elevate wickedness (sodomy, fornication, and other corrupt lifestyles) to the plateau of respectability at the expense of traditional Godly values.

Doesn't explain why most liberals are good people with good families, are generally balanced between men and women, can be found across all economic and ethnic sectors of society and work for a living.

Demagoguery and reality rarely mix.

Along with the failed liberal concept of equality was the mantra of liberal “tolerance”. However, liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be. It is a corrupted partisan philosophical perspective with its own rigid set of dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not embrace it, one may likely face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, and perhaps even legal reprisals. Liberal tolerance is therefore neither liberal nor tolerant.

Right. And the check's in the mail.

Liberalism as demonstrated holds a set of objective moral standards. One of which is honesty, something of which the conservatives on this site could use a good dose.

They seek to outlaw SUV’s

Or at least hold them to the same mileage standards as the rest of the industrialised world...

impose smoking bans while advocating marijuana use

You must be thinking of the Libertarians, but I don't see you creeping 'round Michael Badnarik's back stair.

prohibit freedom of religious expression in government and public schools

News to me. I pray in school all the time and haven't been called to task once for it.

advocate compulsory training in politically correct opinions and attitudes

Musta been wasted on me. Oh wait, I never had any, silly me!

seek to enforce Bible bans in schools and the workplace

And guess what I can check out of the school library any time I want? Oh, never mind, I can bring my own.

embrace a de-facto litmus test against possible pro-life judicial nominees

Though you'd never think it to look at Roberts and Alito.

seek to criminalize pro-life demonstrations through the RICO racketeering statute

Let me guess: Mafia aren't a problem where you're from. Now who's advocating chaos and anarchy?

seek to squelch free religious speech via “hate-speech” laws

... which, like 'seat-belt' laws, don't do anything unless someone's already been convicted of a more serious crime...

and generally engage in a whole range of behaviors designed to subvert the U.S. Constitution and traditional American values.

Good. I prefer the Gospel any day to what generally passes for 'traditional American values'. Though I'm in favour of keeping the Constitution. Especially that Bill of Rights.

Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent.

Again conflating consumerism with liberalism. Doesn't work, at least not from where I'm sitting. Try visiting the real world for a change instead of living out your dystopian fantasies and blaming them on good people.

[Easyrider]

(Liberal Fundamentalism) An oxymoron. Fundamentalism is the notion of Biblical literalism that was a backlash to the religious scholarship of the Victorian era. Liberalism is the tradition that inspired the religious scholarship of the Victorian era.

Uh huh... You have your own fundamental liberalism as I've shown. Fundamental beliefs: gay sex is ok; fornication ok; redistribution of wealth ok, etc., etc.

... even though most liberals practise Judaism and Christianity and value their own beliefs quite highly...

You couldn't prove that by me. I guess I missed the "Religious Left" movement.

Doesn't explain why most liberals are good people with good families, are generally balanced between men and women, can be found across all economic and ethnic sectors of society and work for a living.

Good in whose eyes, man's or God's? And if all of you folks are working, why all the wallet clearing social programs for them so they'll vote to keep your guys in office?

Liberalism as demonstrated holds a set of objective moral standards. One of which is honesty, something of which the conservatives on this site could use a good dose.

Tell it to the liars Michael Moore, Ward Churchill, John Kerry, and so on.

News to me. I pray in school all the time and haven't been called to task once for it.

Maybe you should review some of the court cases at www.aclj.org for an eye-opener.

seek to enforce Bible bans in schools and the workplace

Though you'd never think it to look at Roberts and Alito.

Only because the majority was against you.

Let me guess: Mafia aren't a problem where you're from. Now who's advocating chaos and anarchy?

Nice spin, but the RICO racketeering case against abortion was real.

Again conflating consumerism with liberalism.

Hardly.

Try visiting the real world for a change instead of living out your dystopian fantasies and blaming them on good people.

<flush> Wake up and smell the coffee. Liberalism is often a scourge to society as I have demonstrated.

[Grumpy]

MagusYanam

Why is Easyrider blaming liberals when the Republicans have been in charge for years. If anyone is to blame for the stupid, underhanded and dishonest it is them.

This same "boogie man" demonizing of their opponents is used to blind people to the fact< THE COUNTRY IS IN THE SORRY SHAPE IT"S IN NOT BECAUSE OF LIBERALS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE GREED AND DISHONESTY OF THE SO-CALLED CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE IN CHARGE.

They spent over 40 million dollars to try to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about his girlfriend.

Yet Scooter Libby comits treason(outing an undercover CIA officer in time of war) and the conservatives call that politics.

The Republicans can't raise the minimum wage yet give themselves 340,000 dollar raises in the last 5 years.

When all the sweetheart deals with the Saudis, Haliburton, etc are known, this president will have officiated over the MOST CORRUPT AND INCOMPETENT ADMINISTRATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Grumpy

[otseng]

I don't personally know anyone quite as...humanity deprived as you seem to be.

I know I'm a little late. But I'm surprised nobody reported this. Grumpy, please avoid making personal comments about other posters.

Wanna bet I get a warning for my opinion of your opinion, and not a word mentioned to you?

1John, next time, just report the post instead of betting what the moderators will do with your post or his.

[1John2_26]

Well, if people are done here blaming liberals in general for babies they don't kill, drugs they neither do nor sell, illicit sex they don't promote and venereal diseases they don't have, let's address some of these other falsehoods and ugly bits of bigotry.

You cannot reinvent or wipe away the truth of what liberals do. The scream bloody murder to keep abortion easy-access for any reason. They want short-rehab for druggies instead of accounatbilty. Illicit sex and liberalism is the same thing. And celebrating lascivious licentiousness has brought about the AIDS pandemic. The gay community is exclusively promoted by liberals.

Enough of denying facts Magus.

Easyrider wrote:
Liberal Fundamentalism

An oxymoron. Fundamentalism is the notion of Biblical literalism that was a backlash to the religious scholarship of the Victorian era. Liberalism is the tradition that inspired the religious scholarship of the Victorian era.

Whatever "it" used to be; it has evolved into a Jesus is myth because evolution has shown us the way club membership now, no different then the humanist position on most things moral.

Easyrider wrote:
It’s principle aim is the sacking of traditional Judaic and Christian values and beliefs


... even though most liberals practise Judaism and Christianity and value their own beliefs quite highly...

Like Korah. Rebellion and all. Reform Judaism is nothing Moses would recognize and liberal Christians are hardly "worshipping" a Christ Jesus that somehow can change from aga to age. God cannot change or be changed. But ideologies certainly have.

Easyrider wrote:
The genesis of today’s liberal fundamentalists were the anti-traditionalist hedonists of the 1960's and 70's.

Whoever wrote this is conflating 'liberal' with 'hippie'.

Connect the dots. From "hipies" to liberals. Same cowards marching in the same parades. Now with their "step-children." Some hippies grew up when their portfolios didn't just include profits from new strains of pot.

My parents lived through the sixties and seventies, and are definitely liberal (though they were never hippies). But I, for one, am glad that as a result of the '60's and '70's, black people have the opportunity to live in the same neighbourhood I do and vote at the same polls.

really? How many section eight "projects are there in the Hamptons? How many free clinics in Brentwood?

The Civil Rights movement may have been anti-traditional, but it had nothing to do with hedonism.

I'll bet a "baby's daddy" you're history is missing something.

Easyrider wrote:
Personal responsibility, self-restraint and self-sacrifice were often foreign concepts to them. “Right and wrong”, “good and evil” were arbitrarily revisited, for such concepts had no objective meaning to them. They had no objective rationality for their hedonistic philosophy other than it “feels good, so let’s do it”.


Whoever wrote this obviously never took an ethics class.

You mean in Colleges or Universities that cost tens of thousands of dollars year to make a person a leftist? No, the people folowing liberal hedonism are on the streets pumping out unwanted children, addcited, or are looking intently at the mailman come the first of each month. Liberals have kills slowly and quickly.

Easyrider wrote:
One of the most revered mantras of the liberal fundamentalists is “equality”. The net effect of this experiment was to elevate women via the degradation of men; promote racial equality by instituting racial-based preferences and reverse-discrimination; engender class warfare against people of means via their redistribution of wealth schemes (a concept centered in greed for other people’s money, rather than rely on one’s own personal initiative and work ethic); and elevate wickedness (sodomy, fornication, and other corrupt lifestyles) to the plateau of respectability at the expense of traditional Godly values.


Doesn't explain why most liberals are good people with good families, are generally balanced between men and women, can be found across all economic and ethnic sectors of society and work for a living.

Demagoguery and reality rarely mix.

Neither does the hypocrisy of knowing right from wrong but not telling people about it. Liberals and morality are not seen in the same company. Ask the slaughtered and raped Africans? Where are the hippies marching against the wars killing them? Marxists don't march against marxists.

Easyrider wrote:
Along with the failed liberal concept of equality was the mantra of liberal “tolerance”. However, liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be. It is a corrupted partisan philosophical perspective with its own rigid set of dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not embrace it, one may likely face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, and perhaps even legal reprisals. Liberal tolerance is therefore neither liberal nor tolerant.


Right. And the check's in the mail.

Liberalism as demonstrated holds a set of objective moral standards. One of which is honesty, something of which the conservatives on this site could use a good dose.

Honesty and liberals are oil and water. Try going to the inner-city and preaching your "good families?" The guys there will call you a racist or pound you. Taking money from honset people is not the answer toi every liberal problem that liberals create. Why are accountabilty and responsibilty such bad words to libs?

Easyrider wrote:
They seek to outlaw SUV’s

Or at least hold them to the same mileage standards as the rest of the industrialised world...

The industrialized world pumping out AK-47's to slaughter practicing Christians in third world countries? No liberal anti-whatever marches on that. Killing decent Christians elimates reminders.

Easyrider wrote:
impose smoking bans while advocating marijuana use

You must be thinking of the Libertarians, but I don't see you creeping 'round Michael Badnarik's back stair.

Sounds like the liberals in California Magus. Ever heard of Santa Crz and Humboldt counties? Liberals dwell in large vociferous packs there.

Easyrider wrote:
prohibit freedom of religious expression in government and public schools

News to me. I pray in school all the time and haven't been called to task once for it.

Silently does not count. Work Genesis (fundamentally) into your socialist/darwinist classes and see what happens?

Easyrider wrote:
advocate compulsory training in politically correct opinions and attitudes

Musta been wasted on me. Oh wait, I never had any, silly me!

Where would a person develope an approval of licentious and hedonistic actions if not brainwashed or scared not to ask "why" to the purveyors and promoters of marxist-socialist-self gratification? Of course any negative consequences paid for "by the state."

Easyrider wrote:
seek to enforce Bible bans in schools and the workplace

And guess what I can check out of the school library any time I want? Oh, never mind, I can bring my own.

Read it out loud in class and pretend it is not fiction?

Easyrider wrote:
embrace a de-facto litmus test against possible pro-life judicial nominees

Though you'd never think it to look at Roberts and Alito.

It is no surprise that men and women of today cannot stop the chaos put into place by the deist that created the Constitution. Civilizations come and go. The US is fading fast.

Easyrider wrote:
seek to criminalize pro-life demonstrations through the RICO racketeering statute

Let me guess: Mafia aren't a problem where you're from. Now who's advocating chaos and anarchy?

Note that you just compared people trying to save life to people that are heinous criminals. Someone taught you to react to decent people like that.

Easyrider wrote:
seek to squelch free religious speech via “hate-speech” laws

... which, like 'seat-belt' laws, don't do anything unless someone's already been convicted of a more serious crime...

Christianity criminalized. And validation of it by Magus.

Easyrider wrote:
and generally engage in a whole range of behaviors designed to subvert the U.S. Constitution and traditional American values.

Good. I prefer the Gospel any day to what generally passes for 'traditional American values'. Though I'm in favour of keeping the Constitution. Especially that Bill of Rights.

Except for children. They can be killed while still in the uterus and be adopted by selfish sexual deviants if they are lucky enough to be born. Great liberal ideology. Except if you are a child wanting mommy and daddy. That no longers exists immutably. Somehow liberals have changed it.

Easyrider wrote:
Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent.

Again conflating consumerism with liberalism. Doesn't work, at least not from where I'm sitting.

D-4. Bingo! We have a winner. From the liberal perspective right and wrong is as fluid as heroine injected into a vein.

Try visiting the real world for a change instead of living out your dystopian fantasies and blaming them on good people.

The real world proves the utter failure of marxist hedonistic liberalism. What is literally is happening in the real world from the actions of real liberals. Godless ones and all.

If you drive the car to a bank robbery, you are considered a bank robber.