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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sept 18, 2017 @ 11:36 pm New York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 325,908,667 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,670 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,670 condemned souls per 325,908,667 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,422,223,068 people, would suggest something like 60,806 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to approximately 2,534 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity in roughly 20 hours and 44 minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:44 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher.

Christianity's hell never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365 nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of oil, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, protests, Federal debt, factory recalls, outsourcing, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, LGBT marriage, Obamacare, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President Donald Trump's tweets.

If Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a license to steal because when people come to faith in Christ, the file that God was accumulating against them gets demolished and from thence He does not begin compiling a new file.


2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them

The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory; i.e. an indictment.

2Cor 5:19 is quite an advantage because when there are no books on people, then there is nothing on record with which to accuse them, i.e. it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent, viz: blameless.

This may seem like cooking the books, but God has a way to do it on the up and up without obstructing justice.


Immigration Update: 1,488 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 90,479,328 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

The barrier between Abraham's side of the netherworld and the rich man's is curious. The Greek word is located nowhere else in the entire New Testament so we can't compare it's application in other situations.

Chasm isn't necessarily a crevasse like a gorge or a canyon. It can also represent a marked division, separation, or difference; for example there is a political chasm between China's communist party and China's regular citizens.

A chasm then, can be likened to the contrast between good and evil, right and wrong, wise and foolish, hate and love, the condemned and the innocent, the one true God and the many fake gods, the alive to God and the dead to God.

Anyway, this barrier in Luke's story isn't so expansive that people cannot recognize familiar faces on the opposite side nor hear their voice. And if it's a literal gulf, then I think it's reasonable to assume people have been trying to jump in to get away from the flames.

The Bible says that God desires all men to be saved and that He derives no pleasure from their misfortunes. However, once folks are lost in the netherworld, God's attitude towards them takes quite a turn. Folks in Hell are dead to God, and apparently He wants them to be dead to us too; even our loved ones and the BFFs for whom we care the most, i.e. fraternizing of any kind with the other side is not allowed.


Luke 16:26 . .Those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

Immigration Update: 1,529 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 92,972,374 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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Although resurrection to an immortal body remains yet a future event, it's possible to obtain eternal life right now prior to the resurrection because eternal life pertains to a separate aspect of existence, viz: eternal life isn't physical; it's supernatural.

Note the grammatical tense of the passage below: it's present tense rather than future, indicating that eternal life can be had right now-- no delay and no waiting period.


John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

According to that passage; people lacking eternal life are dead to God and in grave danger of the sum of all fears.

Also; according to the passages below, people lacking eternal life are disconnected from God's son, viz: they are not his sheep.


John 10:27-28 . . My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life

1John 5:11-12 . .God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has the life; whoever does not have the life, does not have His son.

Immigration Update: 1,532 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 93,154,792 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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I sometimes encounter Christians talking about people suffering in Hell forever as if folks down there have eternal life, No, they don't have eternal life; they have human life; which is a kind of life vastly inferior to eternal life. Human life is corruptible whereas eternal life isn't.


Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted with evil

Titus 1:2 . . God cannot lie

Immigration Update: 1,535 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 93,337,210 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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Woohoo! I'll just do me my preaching here on one of the parts of the site where I can't be expected to show I speak me not the first bit of truth.

Checkmate atheists!

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I once heard a minister tell the story of a fictional busload of Hell's inmates who were given a 30 day furlough for some R&R in Heaven. They all came back the first night because God's world was such a bore.

There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night clubs, no porn, no gambling, no pigging-out at buffets, no fights, no profanity, no ribaldry, no free sex, no vulgar late-night comedy, no exotic dancers, no X-rated movies, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no meth, no ecstasy, no LSD, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no vices like gambling and prostitution.

And they had trouble seeing their way around. The light in Heaven was so bright that they had to protect their eyes all the time with thick dark glasses.

And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good folk in Heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they were segregated, and they were quarantined.

Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of conduct and civility; were way too strict for the hellsters. Especially suffocating is the mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their choice of words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

In other words: Heaven is a place prepared for a prepared people. Normal people would quite naturally find God's world disagreeable-- they just wouldn't fit in; especially with its lack of privacy, its 24-7 Big Brother oversight, and its strict codes of conduct.

Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be happy in Heaven? Or sweat shop operators? Or influence peddlers? Or lobbyists? Or J-walking pedestrians? Or LGBTQ? Or greedy businessmen like Phil Knight, Bill Gates, and/or Jeff Bezos? Or unscrupulous social networking moguls like Mark Zuckerberg? Or cheap politicians? Or bookies? Or hoarders? Or black marketers? Or activists? Or militant demonstrators and protestors? Or Critical Race theorists? Or 1619 Project proponents? No. No. No. You see many of the interests that concern Hell's people are unacceptable in Heaven; and in point of fact, none of Heaven's people even want to hear about that stuff.

You know what else is lacking in Heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only one religion up there. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the establishment clause of the US Constitution's first amendment doesn't fly in Heaven. The theocratic monarchy in Heaven insists upon dictating everyone's religious preference.

In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother oversight, was just simply too much to ask in exchange for some time off. To the hellsters, Heaven held little more appeal for a get-away than one of North Korea's prison camps.


Immigration Update: 1,539 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 93,580,434 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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Only the blood of Christ is adequate for purifying sinners to God's satisfaction.


Rev 1:5 . . Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

Rev 7:13-14 . . And one of the elders answered, saying unto me: What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The lake of fire and brimstone can therefore be thought of as a leper colony where everybody inadequately purified is kept in permanent quarantine.


Matt 25:41 . .Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

Rev 20:10 . . And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Devil and the cursed appear to constitute what we might call one big happy family; so to speak.


Immigration Update: 1,545 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 93,945,270 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

Luke portrays only a small portion of the geography where Abraham and the rich man conversed; suggesting that the two locations of the chasm where the men stood are peninsulas or narrow cornices.

But I rather suspect that the rims of the chasm are straight and parallel like the banks of a canal; plus extending sufficient distance in either direction to accommodate hundreds, maybe even thousands, of friends and relatives seeking to connect with their loved ones and BFFs over on the other side.


Immigration Update: 1,548 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 94,127,688 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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If there is one good thing that can be said about the netherworld: it's the great equalizer. Political bullies like Kim Jong-Un, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Muammar Gaddafi, and Saddam Hussein, are powerless down below; they're just more nondescript skulls in the gene pool.


Isa 14:9-10 . . Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when you come. It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the earth. It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones. They will all respond and say to you: Even you have been made weak as we. You have become like us.

Immigration Update: 1,551 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 94,310,106 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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Jesus once told a parable that advises folk it's wise to exercise kindness and generosity on this side of life because people on the other side will doubtless remember how you treated them. The thing is: folks should expect to be the victims of a certain amount of cruelty on the wrong side of the netherworld because down there what's the point in being civil; so it's wise to cultivate lasting friendships up here so that when you arrive down there, you'll have some friends instead of only enemies looking to get even.


Immigration Update: 1,563 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 95,039,778 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
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