Utah makes sex outside of marriage legal

[JJ50]

I find it very hard to comprehend that it was illegal in Utah to have sex if unmarried. Surely most people have sex with their partners before they tie the knot, there is nothing wrong in that, in fact it is crazy if you don't. Sex is an important part of being in a relationship and you need to know that you and your partner are compatible. We were glad our two married daughters lived with their partners for a couple of years before they married.

Mary was apparently pregnant before she married Joseph, conceived either by him, or another human male, the virgin birth story isn't credible.

[ttruscott]

I find it very hard to comprehend that it was illegal in Utah to have sex if unmarried. Surely most people have sex with their partners before they tie the knot, there is nothing wrong in that, in fact it is crazy if you don't. Sex is an important part of being in a relationship and you need to know that you and your partner are compatible. We were glad our two married daughters lived with their partners for a couple of years before they married.

Mary was apparently pregnant before she married Joseph, conceived either by him, or another human male, the virgin birth story isn't credible.

This set of blanket statements that "Surely most people have sex with their partners before they tie the knot," and "there is nothing wrong in that," and "in fact it is crazy if you don't." claims an authority not in evidence nor proven and insults those who reject this false authority to follow a higher morality.

Neither could I find a debate question in this post so I suspect it should be moved and rejected as a rant.

[PinSeeker]

No offense intended, JJ, but you seem to have a very low view of sex and marriage. And you're most certainly not alone in that; many, many, many Christians are in the same boat. That certainly doesn't make anybody a "bad person," but it's unfortunate.

• "Mary was apparently pregnant before she married Joseph, conceived either by him, or another human male, the virgin birth story isn't credible."

Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh...

[ElCodeMonkey]

This set of blanket statements that "Surely most people have sex with their partners before they tie the knot," and "there is nothing wrong in that," and "in fact it is crazy if you don't." claims an authority not in evidence nor proven and insults those who reject this false authority to follow a higher morality.

I disagree. I think JJ50 is right. To claim otherwise without data is equally irresponsible. I'm trying to find data to prove one way or the other. So far all I've found is this: https://voxeu.org/article/premarital-se ... matisation
It claims over 70% of people nowadays engage in premarital sex. Sounds believable to me. Have any data to contradict? Perhaps with a better source? I also don't find saying "it's crazy if you don't" to be anything disrespectful or insulting. It's an idiom to indicate "I strongly believe this opinion" and nothing more. You are right though, no real debate topic.

[ElCodeMonkey]

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[Tcg]

Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh...

Laughter isn't a very convincing rebuttal to an argument.


Perhaps you can provide something with a bit more evidence behind it. Five words with only two letters used between them falls a bit short.




Tcg

[Tcg]

I find it very hard to comprehend that it was illegal in Utah to have sex if unmarried. Surely most people have sex with their partners before they tie the knot, there is nothing wrong in that, in fact it is crazy if you don't. Sex is an important part of being in a relationship and you need to know that you and your partner are compatible. We were glad our two married daughters lived with their partners for a couple of years before they married.

Mary was apparently pregnant before she married Joseph, conceived either by him, or another human male, the virgin birth story isn't credible.

This set of blanket statements that "Surely most people have sex with their partners before they tie the knot," and "there is nothing wrong in that," and "in fact it is crazy if you don't." claims an authority not in evidence nor proven and insults those who reject this false authority to follow a higher morality.

You've provided no evidence of any other authority nor have you proven it provides a higher morality.


You may indeed claim a higher morality, but as it stands all you've done is hint at a different morality. There is no reason to think that is higher simply because it is different.




Tcg