Black Magic from "God"

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Black Magic from "God"

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Islamic State, I'm sure, takes inspiration from biblical "scriptures".

The Israelites duped and slaughtered the Hivite men and all their wealth, and all their little ones, and their wives took they captive, and spoiled even all that was in the house. Gen 34:29

There was concern that the neighbours would take exception, so "God" (the old Canaanite Elohim and not Jehovah in this case) cast a magic spell on them ...

And the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob. Gen 35:5

So the biblical "God" used magic to assist the evil, murderous "chosen people" escape with their plunder and sex slaves.

This is Black Magic.

Given such a clear biblical precedent, could Christians call upon Jehovah/Jesus/Holy Ghost to cast a spell to help them get away with theft, rape and murder, as was done in previous times …?

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SallyF wrote: …
And the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob. Gen 35:5

So the biblical "God" used magic to assist the evil, murderous "chosen people" escape with their plunder and sex slaves…
The problem is, Bible is not speaking of magic, nor sex slaves. That all comes from your imagination. And I really don’t see why should I take it as some kind of true fact.

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1213 wrote:
SallyF wrote: …
And the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob. Gen 35:5

So the biblical "God" used magic to assist the evil, murderous "chosen people" escape with their plunder and sex slaves…
The problem is, Bible is not speaking of magic, nor sex slaves. That all comes from your imagination. And I really don’t see why should I take it as some kind of true fact.

Looks to me like the biblical version of "God" cast a magic spell over the cities.

And just as the Islamic State takes the women of slaughtered enemies as sex slaves, the chosen people of the "God of Love" have done this right here.

Nonetheless, can Christians call on Jesus - or maybe even the original "God" of the OT - to cast a Black Magic spell to cover heinous acts …?
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Christians DO pray for a similar magic spell …

When they invade another country and kill thousands of its citizens.
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[Replying to post 1 by SallyF]


How are we to understand the term 'black magic'? Something different than white magic, or simply the opposite?
Using that terms seems to automatically point to something 'anti-God'.
Or are we to use our own definition of what 'black magic' is?
All that unpleasantness aside, what God did in the bible surely can be seen as magical (if it happened as described at all).

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Menotu wrote: [Replying to post 1 by SallyF]


How are we to understand the term 'black magic'? Something different than white magic, or simply the opposite?
Using that terms seems to automatically point to something 'anti-God'.
Or are we to use our own definition of what 'black magic' is?
All that unpleasantness aside, what God did in the bible surely can be seen as magical (if it happened as described at all).
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These will do for our purposes here.

The spell cast over the cities by the Elohim version of "God" supported the Islamic State-style barbarity of the Israelites.

This is the version of "God" that Christians generally call "God the Father" - the "Our Father who art in Heaven" of the Lord's Prayer …

And Christians address this mythological monster every time they recite the Lord's Prayer.

"God the Father" practiced Black Magic

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SallyF wrote:
That is interesting thank you

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Tart wrote: ...
That is interesting thank you
I agree with you. With that definition, also baseball bat is black magic, because by hitting other with it, one can bestow pain, misfortune and evil to another person.

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1213 wrote:
Tart wrote: ...
That is interesting thank you
I agree with you. With that definition, also baseball bat is black magic, because by hitting other with it, one can bestow pain, misfortune and evil to another person.
The reason i said thank you for that is because of a vision i had with the pentagram in it, which I believe this had some clarification in it...

The idea of wishing or "bestowing" misfortune or evil on others to cause them "harm, discomfort, pain and unhappiness"... is in question...

Jesus flat out proclaimed that the works of the world are evil, and said truthfully they are going into destruction... Is that "black magic" or simple reality? It is reality...

So what is a Christians role when living in the Body of Christ? Or outside the Body?

To be faithful... period...

though what happens when persecuted, and tried?

Be faithful...

Lead those who are blind to light. If they will not listen, let your peace return to you...

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