Apparently Trump likes prime minister Narendra Modhi of India. It is not hard to see why. Modhi built walls along Trump's route, apparently so that the president's eyes were not offended by the sight of people living in hovels, and eking out their meagre existence amidst squalor and deprivation. Out of sight, out of mind.
One suspects that Modhi might have been capable of a little more imagination, and, if he is ashamed of his poor, actually seized on the opportunity to do something to improve their condition. But this is not the kind of solution the bully Trump, self-admitted tax avoider, and obviously all-round spoilt brat, with a similar penchant for walls, would fully appreciate. Nor does it even seem to have occurred to Modhi. Birds of a feather flock together.
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Re: Modhi's wall
Post #2[Replying to post 1 by 2ndRateMind]
I see no correlation. Modhi built a wall to hide slums. Trump wants to reinforce an existing wall to help deter illegal immigration.
Now if Trump wanted to build a wall to hide the slums that surround D.C., that would be a different story. It seems that in the U.S., people, Trump included, are able to ignore poverty absent a wall.
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I see no correlation. Modhi built a wall to hide slums. Trump wants to reinforce an existing wall to help deter illegal immigration.
Now if Trump wanted to build a wall to hide the slums that surround D.C., that would be a different story. It seems that in the U.S., people, Trump included, are able to ignore poverty absent a wall.
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Interesting. I see plenty of correlation. I see walls as a knee-jerk reaction designed to satisfy the popular vote or for other, expeditious, purposes. I see the eradication of absolute poverty as dealing with the problem at root. How many walls do we need to build before the world realises this?
Any leader can build a wall. It takes a statesman to build the kind of bridges that will consign absolute poverty to history. It would help if we all democratically elected leaders who thought in similar ways. Do you think Trump's wall, or Modhi's wall, would be necessary if there were no poor, among us?
As for the mental walls we are apt to build in our minds, well, that is something for each of us to tackle on our own behalf, if we are to fulfill Jesus' injunction to 'Love each other'.
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Interesting. I see plenty of correlation. I see walls as a knee-jerk reaction designed to satisfy the popular vote or for other, expeditious, purposes. I see the eradication of absolute poverty as dealing with the problem at root. How many walls do we need to build before the world realises this?
Any leader can build a wall. It takes a statesman to build the kind of bridges that will consign absolute poverty to history. It would help if we all democratically elected leaders who thought in similar ways. Do you think Trump's wall, or Modhi's wall, would be necessary if there were no poor, among us?
As for the mental walls we are apt to build in our minds, well, that is something for each of us to tackle on our own behalf, if we are to fulfill Jesus' injunction to 'Love each other'.
Best wishes, 2RM.
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Post #4This claim doesn't resolve the clear difference in the purposes of Modhi's wall versus Trump's. It simply ignores the vast difference I've identified.
You claimed that Modhi built his wall to hide poverty from Trump. How would this satisfy the popular vote? Is Trump a registered voter in India?
I see walls as a knee-jerk reaction designed to satisfy the popular vote or for other, expeditious, purposes
I'm not sure what it would take for the world to see your point of view. I doubt building walls would help.
I see the eradication of poverty as dealing with the problem at root. How many walls do we need to build before the world realises this?
It would be even better if someone presented a process that would truly end poetry. Electing leaders who thought poverty should be ended and yet have no means to do so will not end poverty.
Any leader can build a wall. It takes a statesman to build the kind of bridges that will consign absolute poverty to history. It would help if we all democratically elected leaders who thought in similar ways.
Where did I suggest that either are necessary? In argumentation, it is better to support ones own claims rather than attempt to force another to support claims they have not made.
Do you think Trump's wall, or Modhi's wall, would be necessary if there were no poor, among us?
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Post #5I didn't say you did. I was merely expounding my position, as seemed to me appropriate, given your response. Why the defensiveness?Tcg wrote:Where did I suggest that either are necessary? I[n] argumentation, it is better to support ones own claims rather than attempt to force another to support claims they have not made.2ndRateMind wrote: [Replying to post 2 by Tcg]
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Post #6If you are expounding your position, you should be able to do so without soliciting my support.2ndRateMind wrote:I didn't say you did. I was merely expounding my position, as seemed to me appropriate, given your response.Tcg wrote:Where did I suggest that either are necessary? I[n] argumentation, it is better to support ones own claims rather than attempt to force another to support claims they have not made.2ndRateMind wrote: [Replying to post 2 by Tcg]
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What defensiveness?
Why the defensiveness?
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So, I'm not really interested in arguing with you, only in 'my agenda', which is to eradicate absolute poverty while simultaneously that humanity should live comfortably within the ecological carrying capacity of spaceship Earth. If we don't do these things, we are bound to leave the next generations not a better, but a worse, world to inherit. And that does not seem to me to be a partcularly moral enterprise.
So, I advocate the demolition of walls designed to separate the 'haves' from the 'have-nots', and the building of bridges between the two. It's not that complicated, really. It may even turn out to be economically advantageous to the 'haves', to have the whole world able to buy their wares, rather than just a small portion of it.
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So, I'm not really interested in arguing with you, only in 'my agenda', which is to eradicate absolute poverty while simultaneously that humanity should live comfortably within the ecological carrying capacity of spaceship Earth. If we don't do these things, we are bound to leave the next generations not a better, but a worse, world to inherit. And that does not seem to me to be a partcularly moral enterprise.
So, I advocate the demolition of walls designed to separate the 'haves' from the 'have-nots', and the building of bridges between the two. It's not that complicated, really. It may even turn out to be economically advantageous to the 'haves', to have the whole world able to buy their wares, rather than just a small portion of it.
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Post #8Your three replies to my posts, so far, paints a very different picture. Your action doesn't support this claim.
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Post #9And that addresses the essence of my comments, just how? In other words, what, precisely, would be your substantive, rather than procedural, point?Tcg wrote:Your three replies to my posts, so far, paints a very different picture. Your action doesn't support this claim.
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Post #102ndRateMind wrote:And that addresses the essence of my comments, just how? In other words, what, precisely, would be your substantive point?Tcg wrote:Your three replies to my posts, so far, paints a very different picture. Your action doesn't support this claim.
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Are you asking me once again to support your position? You claimed to be able to support your position without my support and yet here you are requesting it yet again.
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