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Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; All of you sons of the Most High”,says the Lord.

Jesus brings this verse up and in so doing confirms that He is not the only son of God.

He doesn’t contest it and say it is wrong that he alone is the son of God.

Just as in Daniel where the one like a son of man receives dominion is shown to be the holy ones of the Most High this shows that Jesus is not alone as Gods son.

Christianity is wrong in saying Jesus is Gods only son. Jesus himself testifies He is not alone.

Jesus in using Psalm 82:6 demonstrates He is not the only son of God.

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Don't know about the sons of god, but how about Psalm 82:1 where it's said that god has buddy gods he hangs with?

82 God stands in the assembly of the gods.
He stands as judge among the judges.

So much for the fib that

"I am the Lord, the only God.
There is no other God except me."

in Isaiah 45:5


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In Psalm 82 it seems to be talking about the rulers of the land who are acting unjustly towards people. Jesus (John 10) has just claimed equality with the Father and is about to be stoned for blasphemy. Jesus then brings up Psalm 82, saying that the psalmist referred to those "to whom the word of the God came" as gods. Jesus does not put himself into that category, though. He gives himself a different designation. He calls himself "him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world." The gods of Psalm 82 are those to whom the word of God came and Jesus is the one sent. Jesus is not saying these other "gods" are just like him at all. He then doesn't deny the claim of blasphemy, but says to disbelieve him if he doesn't do God's works and doubles down on being one with the Father.

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The Tanager wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:49 am In Psalm 82 it seems to be talking about the rulers of the land who are acting unjustly towards people. Jesus (John 10) has just claimed equality with the Father and is about to be stoned for blasphemy. Jesus then brings up Psalm 82, saying that the psalmist referred to those "to whom the word of the God came" as gods. Jesus does not put himself into that category, though. He gives himself a different designation. He calls himself "him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world." The gods of Psalm 82 are those to whom the word of God came and Jesus is the one sent. Jesus is not saying these other "gods" are just like him at all. He then doesn't deny the claim of blasphemy, but says to disbelieve him if he doesn't do God's works and doubles down on being one with the Father.
God also sent those sons of God to judge the earth. It reads; “rise up O god and judge the earth.”

God the Father is telling them to judge the earth or they will die like men.

What most don’t see is Jesus wasn’t speaking personally but was showing support for those who judge. He was speaking of the prophets before Him and after. They all encompass the son and son of man.

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Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pm
The Tanager wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:49 am In Psalm 82 it seems to be talking about the rulers of the land who are acting unjustly towards people. Jesus (John 10) has just claimed equality with the Father and is about to be stoned for blasphemy. Jesus then brings up Psalm 82, saying that the psalmist referred to those "to whom the word of the God came" as gods. Jesus does not put himself into that category, though. He gives himself a different designation. He calls himself "him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world." The gods of Psalm 82 are those to whom the word of God came and Jesus is the one sent. Jesus is not saying these other "gods" are just like him at all. He then doesn't deny the claim of blasphemy, but says to disbelieve him if he doesn't do God's works and doubles down on being one with the Father.
God also sent those sons of God to judge the earth. It reads; “rise up O god and judge the earth.”

God the Father is telling them to judge the earth or they will die like men.

What most don’t see is Jesus wasn’t speaking personally but was showing support for those who judge. He was speaking of the prophets before Him and after. They all encompass the son and son of man.
Your own words judge you.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Everyone is judged by their own words.

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jimtatertayte wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:01 pm
Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pm
The Tanager wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:49 am In Psalm 82 it seems to be talking about the rulers of the land who are acting unjustly towards people. Jesus (John 10) has just claimed equality with the Father and is about to be stoned for blasphemy. Jesus then brings up Psalm 82, saying that the psalmist referred to those "to whom the word of the God came" as gods. Jesus does not put himself into that category, though. He gives himself a different designation. He calls himself "him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world." The gods of Psalm 82 are those to whom the word of God came and Jesus is the one sent. Jesus is not saying these other "gods" are just like him at all. He then doesn't deny the claim of blasphemy, but says to disbelieve him if he doesn't do God's works and doubles down on being one with the Father.
God also sent those sons of God to judge the earth. It reads; “rise up O god and judge the earth.”

God the Father is telling them to judge the earth or they will die like men.

What most don’t see is Jesus wasn’t speaking personally but was showing support for those who judge. He was speaking of the prophets before Him and after. They all encompass the son and son of man.
Your own words judge you.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Everyone is judged by their own words.
I agree.

What words?

“Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.”

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Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:04 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:01 pm
Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pm
The Tanager wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:49 am In Psalm 82 it seems to be talking about the rulers of the land who are acting unjustly towards people. Jesus (John 10) has just claimed equality with the Father and is about to be stoned for blasphemy. Jesus then brings up Psalm 82, saying that the psalmist referred to those "to whom the word of the God came" as gods. Jesus does not put himself into that category, though. He gives himself a different designation. He calls himself "him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world." The gods of Psalm 82 are those to whom the word of God came and Jesus is the one sent. Jesus is not saying these other "gods" are just like him at all. He then doesn't deny the claim of blasphemy, but says to disbelieve him if he doesn't do God's works and doubles down on being one with the Father.
God also sent those sons of God to judge the earth. It reads; “rise up O god and judge the earth.”

God the Father is telling them to judge the earth or they will die like men.

What most don’t see is Jesus wasn’t speaking personally but was showing support for those who judge. He was speaking of the prophets before Him and after. They all encompass the son and son of man.
Your own words judge you.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Everyone is judged by their own words.
I agree.

What words?

“Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.”
From the mouth of God...
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them;
and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

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Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pmGod also sent those sons of God to judge the earth. It reads; “rise up O god and judge the earth.”

God the Father is telling them to judge the earth or they will die like men.
Why do you think that refers to the gods (the sons of the Most High) and not to God?
Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pmWhat most don’t see is Jesus wasn’t speaking personally but was showing support for those who judge. He was speaking of the prophets before Him and after. They all encompass the son and son of man.
Why do you think that from the context of John 10?

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Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:04 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:01 pm
Bobcat wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pm
The Tanager wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:49 am In Psalm 82 it seems to be talking about the rulers of the land who are acting unjustly towards people. Jesus (John 10) has just claimed equality with the Father and is about to be stoned for blasphemy. Jesus then brings up Psalm 82, saying that the psalmist referred to those "to whom the word of the God came" as gods. Jesus does not put himself into that category, though. He gives himself a different designation. He calls himself "him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world." The gods of Psalm 82 are those to whom the word of God came and Jesus is the one sent. Jesus is not saying these other "gods" are just like him at all. He then doesn't deny the claim of blasphemy, but says to disbelieve him if he doesn't do God's works and doubles down on being one with the Father.
God also sent those sons of God to judge the earth. It reads; “rise up O god and judge the earth.”

God the Father is telling them to judge the earth or they will die like men.

What most don’t see is Jesus wasn’t speaking personally but was showing support for those who judge. He was speaking of the prophets before Him and after. They all encompass the son and son of man.
Your own words judge you.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Everyone is judged by their own words.
I agree.

What words?

“Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.”
YOU:
“Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.”

ME:
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.


You try to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

I on the other hand drink the blood of God and eat the flesh of God.
He dwells in me and I in Him.

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