"But when he, the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will disclose to you what is to come." (John 16:13)
"Sanctify them through thy [The Father's] truth; thy word is truth." (John 17:17)
Rather than using tradition, analogy, extra dimensional perception, intuitive feelings, specious nouveou, mutual contradictions, and nonmodeled authority, Science today seeks to be based upon human observation and the rationale of logic. The logic is either deductive by calculation, or is inductive by implication.
Rather than describing the workings of Science as the basis for truth, The Bible states God's Word is truth as it is conveyed into human consciousness by The Holy Spirit. John 16:13 describe what Science cannot do:
1.) "He the spirit of truth comes."
Science is not an entity which comes, but potentially exists within the mechinations of human sentience.
2.) "He will guide you into all truth."
Science only demands through deduction or suggests through implication. Science does not guide as does wisdom from a principle. Science does not address all truth, but only what is known from the human physical senses. Science exists not of itself, but only by means of tools giving measurements and by the logic of analysis.
3.) "For he will not speak on his own initiative."
Science speaks only upon the presence of its own derived data. Science itself does not act.
4.) "But whatever he hears."
Science is not sentient upon hearing anything.
5.) "He will speak."
Science itself has no voice apart from human thought.
6.) "He will disclose to you what will come."
Science can only predict certain specific actions of observed matter, but cannot accurately predict future human, earthly, or cosmic events.
"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperance.". (Gal. 5:22)
Science neither pursues, identifies, nor produces any of these human aspects which are essential for the integrity and continuation of mankind.
"God has sent forth the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba Father!'" (Gal. 4:6)
Science has no Father in heaven, and systematically seeks only itself.
Science is based upon the Realm of Satan, because it encompasses the knowledge of both good and evil by denying that distinction. Using Science, humans remain unable to measure and control good and evil, which are the undeniable outcomes of all human pursuits.
Rationalism.
Moderator: Moderators
-
Tcg
- Savant
- Posts: 8494
- Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
- Location: Third Stone
- Has thanked: 2145 times
- Been thanked: 2295 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #12You introduced the topic of science in your O.P. As has already been pointed out, carpentry falls under that category.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
-
Tcg
- Savant
- Posts: 8494
- Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
- Location: Third Stone
- Has thanked: 2145 times
- Been thanked: 2295 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #14I've already explained that. If you missed it, feel free to review and then address what has already been provided.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
-
Benson
- Banned
- Posts: 252
- Joined: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:30 pm
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #15You have explained nothing. You have only made statements. And now, you cannot even speak the "explanation."
-
Athetotheist
- Prodigy
- Posts: 2695
- Joined: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:24 pm
- Has thanked: 14 times
- Been thanked: 484 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #16Cutting, carving, measuring, fitting and fastening pieces together so they'll stay together, the fashioning of the very tools themselves......
Carpentry is science.
-
Tcg
- Savant
- Posts: 8494
- Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:01 am
- Location: Third Stone
- Has thanked: 2145 times
- Been thanked: 2295 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #17Sure I have. Refer to post #10 given that you apparently have overlooked it.Benson wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:26 pmYou have explained nothing. You have only made statements. And now, you cannot even speak the "explanation."
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
-
Athetotheist
- Prodigy
- Posts: 2695
- Joined: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:24 pm
- Has thanked: 14 times
- Been thanked: 484 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #18You yourself have only made statements. It takes more to back statements up than just pointing to the books in which you found those statements.
-
Benson
- Banned
- Posts: 252
- Joined: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:30 pm
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #19From where do you personally obtain the information to know about anything? Popular thought? Your eyes? Your imagination about what seems likely or possible? From somebody you trust?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:28 pmYou yourself have only made statements. It takes more to back statements up than just pointing to the books in which you found those statements.
Anywhere?
-
Benson
- Banned
- Posts: 252
- Joined: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:30 pm
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Re: Rationalism.
Post #20Post #10 states Science is "the application of knowledge." Unless it hurts your feelings here, let me help just a little. The application of knowledge is called "technology."Tcg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:26 pmSure I have. Refer to post #10 given that you apparently have overlooked it.Benson wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:26 pmYou have explained nothing. You have only made statements. And now, you cannot even speak the "explanation."
Tcg
Jesus used the skill of technology to make wooden things.
But, as he was God, he did not need the scientific procedures of recognizing one's need for information, postulating a theory, experimentation, devising tools for measurement, the determination of success, and devising a best success for future efforts. Jesus never needed to search for knowledge or to experience failure, as do all Scientific undertakings.
You have now seen how to "explain" something, rather than just to make little phrases. Can you say "Thank You?" Maybe not quite ... ?
