The Lord said to My Lord...

[ICHTHUS]

The LORD said to My Lord…

“Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to him, “The son of David.”( Matthew 22:41-42). How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet.” David himself calls him Lord. So how is he his son?” And the great throng heard him gladly.” (Mark 12:35-37). And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions” (Matthew 22:46)”

This is THE most Important question that any human being can ever be asked, “What do you think about the Christ?. The answer to this question will determine the eternal destiny of every human, depending on what their answer is. Who is Jesus Christ? To these Jews, Jesus says, “what do you think about The Messiah”, “Ho Christos” being the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew, “Mashiach”.

Jesus is not here denying that He is “The Son of David”, which means that His human line came from David. This is confirmed in the very first verse in the Gospel of Matthew. Those who heard Jesus preach, often called out to Him, “"Have mercy on us, Son of David!" (Matthew 9:27; 15:22; 20:30, etc). To which Jesus never objected. The Term, “The Son of David”, was known as a Title of the Messiah at this time, as we read in Matthew 12:23, “All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?”. And, “Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?” (John 7:42). These first century Jews knew what it meant by “The Son of David”.

In these passages in the Gospels, Jesus is quoting from the Old Testament Psalm 110.

“The LORD said to My Lord…”

It is clear from these passages, that Jesus Christ is here claiming for Himself, Absolute Deity, as Yahweh, and fully equal with God the Father.

Psalm 110 is understood as Messianic, by the older Jewish commentators. Which is what the Jews in Jesus’ time would have known. As we see for verse 1:
“In the Midrash Tehillim on this passage, it is said, " God spake thus to the Messiah”” (J Stewart Perowne, The Book of Pslams, p.288)

John Gill says in his commentary, that the Targum of Jonathan reads in verse 1, “the Lord said to his Word”

Here we have, "The LORD (Yahweh) said”, “to My Lord (Adoni)” a direct address by Yahweh to Adon (the root word), which is masculine and singular. It is argued by some, that this Hebrew noun is used in the sense of “master, lord, sir, governor”, as a title of “respect” for a more “noble” person, and always only for humans, and never of God. As we shall see, that these arguments are misleading, and do not reflect the use of “Adon”, in the Bible.

The Masoretes punctuate verse one: “Adoni”, which is the singular noun and singular suffix, literally, “my lord”, or “my Lord”. This can be used for God as well as humans. The form “Adonai”, plural noun and singular suffix, literally, “my Lords”, or “Lord”, which is only used for God.

A website that is used to promote “Unitarianism” as the Bible’s Teaching of the God of the Bible, and is anti Trinitarian, says this on the use of “Adon” in this verse:
“The Hebrew word translated “my lord” is adoni (pronounced “Adon nee”) in the standard Hebrew texts. This word is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God...The difference between adon (the root word), adoni (“lord,” always used of men or angels) and adonai (which is used of God and sometimes written adonay) is critical to the understanding of Psalm 110:1.” (https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/psalm-110-1)

Likewise, we have the argument used by a Jewish Rabbi:

“I should note that the second “lord” in Hebrew is not “ado-nai” – the term the Torah reserves for God, but “adoni”. The latter is a simple Hebrew word which means “my lord” but is not sacred. Throughout the Torah that word is used in reference to honored human beings but never to God, e.g. Genesis 18:3, 23:6, 24:18, 31:35, 33:8, 34:14, 44:18, etc. Thus, it was incorrectly capitalized in your translation. In fact, Hebrew has no capital letters so capitalizations which are found in English translations are merely based on translators’ assumptions, and as you can see, are not always reliable.” (Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld; https://www.aish.com/atr/Psalm-110-Two-Lords.html)

Are these comments factually right? The evidence from the Old Testament itself, will show that these two websites are here are completely wrong. There are many instances in the Old Testament, where “Adon” is used for Almighty God. In Exodus 23:17, “the Lord (Adon) GOD”; Exodus 34:23, “before the Lord (Adon) GOD, the God of Israel”; Joshua 3:11, 13, “the Lord (Adon) of all the earth”; Psalm 97:5, “the Lord (Adon) of the whole earth”; Psalm 114:7 reads, “Tremble, thou earth, at the presence of the Lord (Adon)”; Isaiah 1:24, 3:1, 10:16, 10:33, 19:4, “the Lord (Adon), the LORD of hosts”; Isaiah 51:22, “Thus saith thy Lord (Adon) the LORD, and thy God”; Micah 4:13, “the Lord (Adon) of the whole earth”; Zechariah 4:14, “the Lord (Adon) of the whole earth”; 6:5, “the Lord (Adon) of all the earth”. In Deuteronomy 10:17, we read: “O give thanks to the Lord of lords”; and Psalm 136:3, it says: “For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords”. In the Hebrew, where it says “Lord”, and “lord”, in its 4 uses, the word used is, “Adon”. They are in the masculine plural, literally, “master of masters”. So, to say that “Adon”, “is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God”, as these websites do, is downright misleading.

It matters not whether it reads as it does in Psalm 110:1, as “my Lord”, or, as in Isaiah 51:22, “thy Lord”, or, simply “the Lord”. Each case the root word is the same in the Hebrew, “Adon”. And we have clear uses of this word for the Lord God in the Old Testament, and not as some suggest, only used for humans.

Verses that use “Adon” in these contexts, “the Lord of the whole earth”, and “the Lord of all the earth”, and “For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords”, show that God is seen as The Absolute Ruler and Power in the universe. Hardly of someone who is simply a “lord or master, or noble”! Interesting, that in the Greek Old Testament by Symmachus, at the end of the 2nd century, it says in Psalm 110:1, “The Lord said “τῷ δεσπότη μου”, which is not simply “Lord”, but of “Absolute Ruler”. The Greek “δεσπότης”, is from where we get our “Despot” from, which means, “a ruler with absolute power and authority” (Webster’s Dictionary). Colin Brown’s, New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, defines as, “despotes expresses the arbitrary, unlimited exercise of power without any real conditions”.

Verse 5 makes it very clear Who is “Adoni” is in verse 1. Here it reads:

“The Lord at your Right Hand”

Which is a further reference to “Adoni”, Who is at the Right Hand of “Yahweh”. In verse 5 the Hebrew word used in the greater majority of manuscripts, is “Adonay”, and not “Adoni”. “Adonay” is always used in the Old Testament for Almighty God, and never for any humans or heavenly beings. There are about 20 Hebrew Masoretic Text, that reads in verse 5, “Yahweh”. Either Name is that used for the Eternal, Unchanging, Self-Existing, God of the Holy Bible. And here it is clearly used for the Lord Jesus Christ!

Some, who cannot accept the fact, that Jesus Christ is here identified as Almighty God, have suggested that verse 5 does not mean what it actually says. As Dr Cheyen says in his Commentary:

“The description in vv. 2, 3 is resumed. The Lord is Jehovah (surely not the king), who is invisibly standing at His viceroy's right hand” (p.303)

Others try to read, “the Lord is at your Right Hand”, which is not in the Hebrew.

The “Yahweh” of verse 1, now changes places with “Adon”, and is on His Right Hand! This is no more than conjecture and the rejection of what the Bible plainly Teaches. There is NO Scripture passage that says that God the Father is at the Right Hand of Jesus Christ. What it does say in verse 5, is that the “Adon”, which some of the Masoretic manuscripts, by the Jews, read “Yahweh”, is COEQUAL with “Yahweh”. Verse one can be translated as “Yahweh says to my Yahweh”.

The passages in the Gospels, when read with Psalm 110, is one of the clearest and strongest, testimonies by The Lord Jesus Christ, on His Absolute Deity. These passages also show that the God of the Holy Bible is not “Unitarian”, as there are here TWO distinct “Persons” Who are EQUALLY Almighty God.

[2timothy316]

Oh boy another trinity thread...

Hello Ichthus here is some 'light' reading to get you caught up on the trinity debate. The trinity is a heavily covered subject on this forum rather than many of repeating ourselves perhaps you have some comments on previous threads.

Jesus is not God
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=36516

CLEAR CHALLENGES FOR THE TRINITY DOCTRINE
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=30670

The Trinity
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=35154

[ICHTHUS]

The Holy Trinity is the Most important Doctrine of all in the Holy Bible. There can never be enough said on this Doctrine, as no one can ever fathom our Great God.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to ICHTHUS in post #3]

Well then for a trinity fanatic such as yourself, I'm sure you'll have plenty to keep you busy for quite awhile in the threads I linked up in my reply.

[ICHTHUS]

Anyone who doesn't believe that the God of the Bible is TriUine they cannot be a true Christian nor get to heaven. This Fundamental Doctrine Teaches that God is eternally Three Persons in One Godhead, Who are 100% co-equal co-essential and co-eternal. This is Biblical Truth. Any other views of God are from the devil.

[1213]

...It is clear from these passages, that Jesus Christ is here claiming for Himself, Absolute Deity, as Yahweh, and fully equal with God the Father.....

Sorry, I think that is a wrong interpretation, because Jesus himself says God is greater than him.

…the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

[bjs1]

[Replying to ICHTHUS in post #5]

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[ICHTHUS]

So exactly what that I have written is not Biblical Truth? It may be a debate site, but surely Truth as taught in the Bible is the most impoortant, our personal opinions matter zero.

[ICHTHUS]

[Replying to 1213 in post #6]

You take one verse from the Bible, and suppose that you can "prove" what you think, to be true!

In Isaiah 9:6, we have The Prophecy of the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, where He is clearly called, Mighty God, the exact same used for Yahweh, the Father in 10:21.

In John 1:1, Jesus Christ is WITH God the Father, and also God, equally to the Father.

In John 1:18, according to the best textual evidence, we read, "No one has ever seen God; the Unique God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known". Here it is clear that Jesus Christ is equally GOD, as the Father is.

In John 5:23, Jesus tells the Jews who wanted to murder Him, for what He said, that made Him "equal to God" the Father (verses 17, 18), that, "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him". Clearly says that He must be HONORED equally to the Father.

In John 20:28, Thomas tells Jesus in direct address, "my Lord and my God" (Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου). Jesus did not say to Thomas, you must not say that, as I am not God!

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father says that Jesus Christ must be WORSHIPPED.

In verse 8, God the Father is addressing Jesus Christ, and says, "“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom". ther Father calls Jesus Christ, "O God" (ὁ Θεὸς, literally, THE GOD)

In verses 10-12, God the Father continues to address Jesus, and says, "And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;
they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed.a But you are the same, and your years will have no end.”. Quoted from Psalm 102:24-27, where it used for Elohim.

Hebrews 2:9 informs us, that "But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone". Jesus Christ during His time on earth, as the God-Man, was "subject" to God the Father, as the Suffering Servant; yet fully equal to the Father as Almighty God, as the above verses, and many others clearly show.

[2timothy316]

So exactly what that I have written is not Biblical Truth? It may be a debate site, but surely Truth as taught in the Bible is the most impoortant, our personal opinions matter zero.

Is John 14:28 true? Is Jesus' Father greater than him? Is it your opinion that Jesus told a lie when he said that? Or what is your opinion of John 14:28? Are you going to attempt to change what it says?