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When Inbreeding Was Safe

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Gen 2:21a-22a . . So the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon the man; and, while he slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that spot. And the Lord God fashioned the rib that He had taken from the man into a woman;

The Hebrew word translated "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an English word representing a skeletal bone.

In the other twenty-nine places, it's translated "side" which is really how tsela' should be translated because according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from Adam's body included some of his flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev 17:11) then I think it's safe to assume that the flesh that God took from Adam's body to construct the woman contained some of his blood too so that the flesh was living flesh instead of dead.

In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a barbecued rib; a serving that contains not bone alone rather, bone, blood, and meat.

The most important thing to note in Gen 2:21a-22a is that Eve wasn't created directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: Eve wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. her gender isn't a unique specie.

Being as Eve was constructed with Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the flesh, blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood, and bones with the result that Eve came into the world biologically related to Adam, i.e. he was her father and she was his first child; so any discussion of incest has to go all the way back to the very beginning and start with the first couple instead of Cain and/or Seth.
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It could be argued that Eve was Adam's sister; but neither she nor he were produced by a common biological ancestor; rather, he was constructed from dirt and she was constructed from Adam. That makes Eve his descendant rather than his sibling.

It had to be that way because God wanted all human life to biologically descend from just one source.


Acts 17:26 . . From one man he made every nation of men

[ Every nation of men includes Pygmies, Inuit, Hispanic, African, Native American, Germanic, Semitic, Polynesian, Aboriginal, Asian, etc. etc. ]

The inescapable conclusion to draw from God's decision is that Adam had to sleep with his daughter to produce Cain, Abel, and Seth because there just weren't any other women in his world at the time. And besides: it was God brought them together, viz: they were genuinely a match made in Heaven.
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Another biblical case of @home incest takes place in Genesis 19:30-38 where the two surviving daughters of Abraham's nephew Lot got their dad drunk, and themselves knocked up.

The girls weren't motivated by naughty passions (though considering where they grew up it wouldn't be surprising). They were honestly concerned about one-- or possibly both --of two things: they'd either finish out their lives as childless old maids or their father's family tree would terminate with him.

Anyway, long story short, the eldest girl became preggers with a baby boy that she named Moab. From that little guy eventually came the very famous woman named Ruth-- herself destined to become one of David's distant grandmothers via her son Obed.
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WebersHome wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:04 pm In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a barbecued rib; a serving that contains not bone alone rather, bone, blood, and meat.
Well how bout that, incest is acceptable cause barbecued ribs're delicious.

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WebersHome wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:53 amRuth-- herself destined to become one of David's distant grandmothers via her son Obed.

David is a key player in Christ's biological genealogy.

Rev 22:16 . . I am the offspring of David

The Greek word translated "offspring" is genos (ghen'-os) which basically refers to kin, viz: one's relatives.

Christ's kinship with David is quite a bit more specific in Rom 1:1-3 where it says:

"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh"

The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to biological progeny; for example:


Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's is biological because it's "according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.

So then, Jesus' flesh is David and Bathsheba's flesh, and David's flesh in turn is Boaz and Ruth's flesh, and Boaz's flesh in turn is Adam and Eve's flesh.

It's all pretty interesting when considering that Jesus' flesh is the result of two of the most famous cases of incest on record-- Adam and Eve, and Lot and his eldest daughter. But that was back when incest was much safer than it is now.
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FAQ: Why was it not wrong for Adam, Eve, Lot, and Lot's daughters, to practice incest? And let's not forget Isaac's parents Abraham and Sarah; they were brother and sister!

A: According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17 the laws of God are not retroactive, viz: incest is not a violation where there is no rule against it.
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FAQ: What's different from when incest was legal and later when it became illegal?

A: The human body's vitality has undergone quite a bit of deterioration over the years. For example; prior to the Flood, the body could get by on fruits, vegetables, and grains. After the Flood, its diet was adjusted to include meats.

Apparently the inclusion of meat in Man's diet after the Flood was intended primarily as a source of natural supplements to make up for the human body's gradually lessening ability to manufacture all its own essential vitamins; much the same reason that modern vegans resort to synthetic supplements in order to avoid contracting deficiency diseases.

According to an article in the Dec 10, 2013 Science section of the New York Times, scientists believe that the early human body was able to manufacture all of its own essential vitamins; but over time gradually lost the ability to manufacture all but K and D.

That seems plausible to me seeing as how Noah lived to be 950 years old, but by the time of Abraham, the human life span had decreased considerably to 175, which Gen 25:7-8 describes as a ripe old age; so the human body was obviously a whole lot healthier before it became necessary for God to prohibit incest in the covenant that His people agreed upon with Him in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
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There had to be inbreeding for mankind to reproduce from two people. The point when it was safe is when man had access to the Tree of Life - not only did the Tree of Life give immortality, it gave healing.
When man ate the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, his actions negated the affects the Tree of Life had given. That is why God put them out of the garden so he nor his offspring would not eat of it again and regain the immortality lost. (God already knew what man would do and he already had a plan of salvation)
I believe that the Earth is billions of years old - that Adam lived on the Earth for hundred thousands of years before he sinned - which I feel he sinned approximately 6000 years ago. I believe he and Eve had many, many, children and their children likewise and so forth and so on - all of which had access to the fruit of theTree of Life.
After the fall of Adam and him having negated the affects of the Tree of Life there was enough people for genetic diversity, that inbreeding was not necessary or mentally or physically healthy.
Did God warn the people before the flood about inbreeding, probably did. Did he warn the Patriots before the nations of the Hebrews - he probably did, just wasn't written, not much was written about the dealings of man before the flood nor a great deal before or during the covenant with Abraham. But we do know it was written as a law not to practice incest during the time Moses.

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Sheila D wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:34 pm There had to be inbreeding for mankind to reproduce from two people. The point when it was safe is when man had access to the Tree of Life - not only did the Tree of Life give immortality, it gave healing.
Your source(s) please.


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WebersHome wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:05 pm .
It could be argued that Eve was Adam's sister; but neither she nor he were produced by a common biological ancestor; rather, he was constructed from dirt and she was constructed from Adam. That makes Eve his descendant rather than his sibling.
Clone. She was his clone. If they didn't have any detrimental genes hiding recessively, this is perfectly permissible.

There are two reasons alone that incest triggers disgust:
1. The risk of detrimental mutations coming to the surface and expressing
2. The age factor, power factor (father to daughter, or if one sibling is much older) = rape

...And it frankly seems that Eve was the more experienced and smarter of the two despite being younger, thinking it may not have been safe to eat the apple so having Adam do it first, so there's not a lot of cause to find it disgusting under 2, either.

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