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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity with God.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder: How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust? Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to protect His chosen people?
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To find an answer to the OP's question one need look no further than Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the Jews, as a people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant that their ancestors agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the scripture references in the above paragraph.

There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses.

Anybody who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His own people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize they're reading a synopsis of the Jews' history.
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The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses' people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were given of His likes and dislikes.


Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. (cf. Luke 12:42-48)

This is an ancient principle illustrated not only in the Jews' history, but also taught by Christianity.


Luke 12:47-48 . .That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be required.
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FAQ: Do you mean to say there are actually Christians out there believing it was the Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions?

A: If the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God is binding; then yes; the Jews, as a corporate people, are definitely at fault for what happened to them.

The covenant obligates Him to protect them from misfortune when they're compliant with it; but the same time the covenant also obligates God to lower the boom on them when they're not compliant with it. There's really no mystery to this: it's all spelled out in black and white at Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69. (cf. Deut 29:14-28)

If there is only one good thing to come out of the Holocaust is that it proves to the world that God is reliable, viz: He can be trusted to honor His commitments.
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FAQ: How can it possibly be that God would cause an event whose collateral damage led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?

A: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He stood by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken in it. In other words: the essential thing that Moses' people brought upon themselves was the loss of God's providence. I think God took advantage of Hitler's agenda as an opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His people to the wolves like He did in the Old Testament with Nebuchadnezzar.

NOTE: It's not all that unusual for Christians to lose out on God's providence too; and thus end up in hot water themselves.

1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
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FAQ: Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?

A: It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's accusation? "Israel has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

And then there's the case where Saul alone caused a three-year famine, and another case where David's conduct cost the lives of 70,000.

Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to breaches committed by generations preceding them.


Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Yhvh, Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to honor it lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that sins have a way of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the snowball is so big that it triggers an act of God; which is disturbing because it tells me that it's not impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the Jews of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that according to Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews' own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear warheads instead of high explosives; and many among Jacob's people will be poisoned to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

(According to stats I found online, the State of Israel has experienced 1,380,053 cases of Covid 19 resulting in 8,243 deaths; and a very large percentage of those cases are fully vaccinated. Why hasn't their God's covenanted providence been protecting His people from this new disease?)

I believe it's okay to pity the Jews per Lam 1:12; but I do not believe it is appropriate to let them get away with playing the victim all the time; the meanwhile diverting attention away from their own chronic failure to honor the covenant in a manner consistent with God's requirements.
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FAQ: If true that the Jews, as a people, brought the Holocaust upon themselves in accordance with the language of the covenant that their ancestors agreed upon with God; then why don't they own up to it instead of always going about playing the victim and acting so indignant?

A: Well; sad to say: the Jewish people, on the whole, are famous for their obtuse attitudes; not only in the Bible; but in real life too. It's so common and so chronic that we're forced to conclude that their attitudes are actually quite systemic. Finding a Jew who will admit they are wrong-- wrong about anything --is like searching for the Loch Ness monster and the lost city of Atlantis.

The average John Que and Jane Doe Jew is so defensive, so reactive, so stiff-necked, so adamant, so self-righteous, so arrogant, and so infected with a chosen-people superiority complex; that they simply cannot tolerate criticism; not even criticism coming straight from the mouth of the very God with whom they boast an elite association; for example:


Zech 7:11-12 . . But they refused to listen; and they turned a rebellious shoulder; and they made their ears heavy, not to hear. And they made their heart [as hard] as a shamir, [in order] not to listen to the Torah and to the words that the Lord of Hosts sent, through His spirit by the earlier prophets. And there was great anger from the Lord of Hosts.

Dan 9:5-6 . .We have sinned and have dealt iniquitously; we have dealt wickedly and have rebelled, turning away from Your commandments and from Your ordinances.

Dan 9:10-11 . .And we have not hearkened to the voice of the Lord our God, to follow His teachings, which He placed before us by the hand of His servants, the prophets. And all Israel have transgressed Your teaching, turning away, not heeding Your voice, and the curse and the oath, which are written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have befallen us, for we have sinned against Him.

Jews have been playing the victim card for decades, and getting away with it too; so it really riles them whenever somebody dares to suggest that the misfortunes that have overtaken them down through the years, as well as the problems that plague them right now, are due to exactly what Daniel and Zechariah said. For example:

The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God requires Him to preserve peace in the land of Israel when His people are compliant. Well; the land has been in a state of war since the day of its inception in 1948 and nobody is safe over there; and were Israel not allied with the USA and Britain, I fear the Arab world would crush it practically overnight.

The covenant also obligates God to restore Israel's borders when they are compliant. Well; the State of Israel doesn't even have control over the Temple Mount let alone its covenanted borders.

The covenant also obligates God to provide the State of Israel with abundant rain when the people are compliant. Well; if not for ground water and desalination, Israel wouldn't have much of an agriculture. Alas, the historical Jordan River has been reduced to a toxic trickle of its former self because so much water is pumped out of it for irrigation
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WebersHome wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:56 pmif not for ground water and desalination, Israel wouldn't have much of an agriculture.
Desalination is a desperate measure. Israel won't need it when God's covenanted providence takes the reins in that land.

Isa 35:6-7 . .Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling springs. In the haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus will grow.

Much of Israel today remains a barren desert. When God's providence kicks in, the whole land will become arable.


Isa 35:21-2 . .The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the excellency of our God.

Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon was known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9). How God will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the Negev should be interesting.
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WebersHome wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:09 pmOne has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder: How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust? Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to protect His chosen people?
Arguably he did. Before the Holocaust, antisemitism was widespread, and now, thanks to the Holocaust, antisemitism is now basically illegal everywhere.
WebersHome wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:12 amThe status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses' people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were given of His likes and dislikes.[/size]
I see this as an offshoot of a very ancient idea that a god can't hurt you unless you believe in it. So let's say you have Meekibeak, a giant bird god, and you believe in it, it can now help you, or it can hurt you, but since I don't believe in Meekibeak, she can't affect me. If I piss her off the worst she can do is send you with an army of fellow mortals to kill me.

There are some rules in the Bible that are there specifically to protect Jews. For example, don't eat anything that dies of itself, but you may sell it to outsiders. So, it's to protect his people; eating an animal that drops dead on its own doesn't offend God in any way; it's just a practical rule. However, there does seem to be a lot of weird sex stuff, and other dogmatic rules not designed to help Jews. It's possible human nakedness offends the God of the Bible, but too bad, I will be naked, he can't do anything to me because I don't believe in him.
WebersHome wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:41 amIt's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's accusation? "Israel has sinned" (Josh 7:11)
Rugged individualism is a relatively new idea. IMO it's not a well thought-out idea. In reality everyone who allowed Hitler to come to power or even consented without fighting is partly responsible, and sometimes people who foster a community and tolerate stereotypical negative behaviour are partly at fault for those stereotypes. This sword cuts both ways.

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A number of observant Jews sincerely believe that the deaths of six million of their fellows via German atrocities during the second world war satisfied certain teachings and predictions in the 53rd chapter of Isaiah's prophecy. A rabbinic interpretation of that chapter proposes, in so many words, that the fate of God's people at the hands of Hitler's minions accomplished the salvation of the world.

The interpretation is a bit involved so I won't go into it here; but suffice to say that the interpretation provides, for some, the only rational explanation as to why God stood by and did nothing to prevent so many of His own people from being rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved, malnourished, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions by Nazi mad men.

The error of that interpretation is so obvious that it's almost below me to point it out; to wit: Judaism regards human sacrifice as a breach of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God; and also sincerely believes that human sacrifice is an abomination.

There are astute Bible scholars of the opinion that the Jewish genocide of the last century was only a taste of one to come in the future when a super powerful political figure, known to just about everybody as the anti-Christ, will target God's people with another mass extinction. They say his won't be confined to Europe like the last one, but will encompass the entire globe so that Jews won't be safe anywhere on the planet.

Those scholars also believe that the present State of Israel isn't permanent; but that it will be conquered and the Jews lose control of their homeland all over again. I don't know for myself whether those scholars are right, but if they are, then it would appear that the future of God's people at this point in time is looking mighty grim, to say the least.
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