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How many children does the IDF need to murder to win the war?

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10, 20, 30.,.,, how many-?
I Googled “Israelis killing children”
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Jun 1, 2017 - Israel has killed more than 3,000 children since 28 September 2000 when the Second Intifada began until the end of April 2017, a new report ...
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

These are the Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2016 | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/.. ... srael-2016

Jan 27, 2017 - Thirty-five Palestinian children were killed by Israeli soldiers, police and armed civilians during the year, all but four of the deadly incidents ...
Invisible killings: Israel's daily toll of Palestinian children | The ...

https://electronicintifada.net/content/ ... ldren/4263

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months | News | Al Jazeera
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May 14, 2016 - Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was ...
One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years ...

One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years: statistics...
“The International Day for the Protection of Children is on June 1,” said a spokesman, “but Palestinian children are still subject to attacks by the Israelis and ...

Report: Israel killed 3,000 Palestinian children since 2000 – Middle ...
Report: Israel killed 3,000 Palestinian children since 2000...

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to the impact of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict .... Though Israeli children were killed in the conflict during the decades prior, the first acts of
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service

IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Google "IDF shooting children"
Nov 23, 2004 - Radio exchange contradicts army version of Gaza killing.
https://tinyurl.com/ybk8lvmq

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months
Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was the highest in seven years, according to the UNICEF.
https://tinyurl.com/y92tvluh

2016 'deadliest year' for West Bank children in decade
Israeli forces killed 32 Palestinian children in the West Bank in 2016, the highest number in 10 years.

The organisation's chapter in the occupied Palestinian territories recorded the killings of 32 Palestinian children (under 18), making 2016 "the deadliest year of the past decade" for them, the group said in a recent report.
https://tinyurl.com/y85ctr7v

12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html
Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html
UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html
United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)
10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary
Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html
Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/
Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml
An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk
Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he lived in Gaza.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm
Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother.
She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,36 ... 51,00.html
This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ ... 55,00.html
Baby is born then dies
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html
Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals ... _siege.htm
Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml
15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals ... _siege.htm
An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk
IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport." http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/011001_hedges.html

IDF murdering more children
https://tinyurl.com/y2naena6
IDF murdering even more children
https://tinyurl.com/yyrddf3g

I ask again, how many children have to be murdered to win this hideouts war--??????

ten (10),twenty (20).,.,.,,,.,.,how many more-? 8-)

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Purple Knight wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:54 pmYou know the answer to that.
If I knew the answer I would not have asked it.
The Israelites have been engaged in terrorist acts before they had statehood and continue to engage in terrorists acts even today.
So, I ask again, why does the USA support them?
They even deliberately sank an American ship knowing it was an American navy ship.
https://tinyurl.com/ssy24w
Again I ask again, why does the USA support them?
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thomasdixon wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:39 pmAgain I ask again, why does the USA support them?
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Because the Israel lobby is very powerful. This is simply what you get in a formal oligarchy, which is what the United States is. Any capitalistic society without strictly enforced laws specifically preventing money from buying legislative power is a formal oligarchy.

I personally don't blame anyone for simply buying what is offered up for sale.

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I support the Israelis / Jews because of their being all human and all. And that whole deal about how so many folks've tried to kill em, just for the being Israelis / Jews.

During WW2, there were atrocities committed against the Jewish people on a scale we should never allow ourselves to forget. The Jewish people's history indicates, irrevocably, that they can't depend on anyone to protect em from the forces of evil aligned against em. Cept for me, at least. I think some folks think I'm evil, but I danged sure won't leash it against the Jews.

Their history shows that unless they can have a land of their own, where they can come together in their own defense, they'll be fussed and cussed, and bombed and killed, until the last one of em goes up in smoke. I aim to prevent that. I aim to ensure the Jewish folks, goofy they may be, will inhabit this planet until the end of time.

After the creation of Israel, Arabs were offered a right of return. They returned in battle tanks.

Of course I reserve a right to disagree with certain policies, and if, as OP proposes, they have em a kill the children thing there, then I'll fuss em and cuss em with the best of us.

But what of TV shows that mock the "hook nosed Jew". What of TV shows that glorify the children wearing bombs to go blow up the Jews? What of organizations the pay the family's of "martyrs" for the blowing up the Jews?

How many children does the IDF need to murder to end the war?
Every danged one of em with a bomb strapped to em.


I promise you this, quit trying to kill the Jews, and they'll have em no reason to try to kill you.

Quit using ambulances to get into Jewish areas, and then getting all explody.

Quit blowing up trains.

Quit blowing up buildings.

Quit, ya know, with the terrorism.

Quit hiding in civilian areas to launch your own -per OP- murderous attacks.

Quit trying to kill the Jews. Fuss em, and cuss em, now that's fair. But quit with the trying to wipe em off the face of the earth.


I know, their food ain't that good, and they can be goofy, but goldangit, they're humans. Humans. Not demons. Just humans like you and me, only maybe they think em some goofy religious stuff. Not unlike the Christian, not unlike the Muslim.

To heck with the anti-Israel crowd. To heck with em every one. I stand with the Jews in seeking to ensure they're allowed to govern themselves - and defend themselves - the best they know how. In the lands they know and love.

Long live Israel! Long live the Israelis!
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:33 pmQuit using ambulances to get into Jewish areas, and then getting all explody.

Quit blowing up trains.

Quit blowing up buildings.

Quit, ya know, with the terrorism.

Quit hiding in civilian areas to launch your own -per OP- murderous attacks.

Quit trying to kill the Jews. Fuss em, and cuss em, now that's fair. But quit with the trying to wipe em off the face of the earth.
I think the OP makes a good point that nobody has the moral high horse on methods here. It's a nasty war. Both sides get very, very nasty.

That's why the simple answer is that whosoever is fighting for what is right, is right. Overall the Arabs have continued to lose land

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But I don't think that matters. I don't think methods matter. Anything and everything is justified if you're fighting for what is right, whereas the most noble and honourable black knight, who fights more fairly than anyone else on the field... is still evil, if what he's fighting for, is evil.

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Purple Knight wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:41 am I think the OP makes a good point that nobody has the moral high horse on methods here. It's a nasty war. Both sides get very, very nasty.
Fair nuff.

My position is how can I blame the Jews after all their history. Remember, Arab Israelis were offered a right to return, but refused to do so at the behest of Israel's enemies.
That's why the simple answer is that whosoever is fighting for what is right, is right. Overall the Arabs have continued to lose land

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Looking at that map, I see a logical need for the Jews to control that entire area. Especially when folks outside of it are lobbing em bombs into it.

Don't wanna lose your land? Don't wage terrorism from it. Israel has offered land for peace, only to be rebuffed. If it was me. I'd color in the rest of that map.
But I don't think that matters. I don't think methods matter. Anything and everything is justified if you're fighting for what is right, whereas the most noble and honourable black knight, who fights more fairly than anyone else on the field... is still evil, if what he's fighting for, is evil.
I think I argue for the right thing - the right of the Jews to control their destiny, from the lands of which they have so many historical ties.

The Jews have no reason to expect anyone, the US included, to help defend em. They are, if only from a historic or psychological perspective, on their own.

I'm only surprised they haven't turned the rest of the Mideast into a sheet of glass.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:22 pmMy position is how can I blame the Jews after all their history. Remember, Arab Israelis were offered a right to return, but refused to do so at the behest of Israel's enemies.
They want to control their destiny too. But nor do I blame the Jews here.
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:22 pmDon't wanna lose your land? Don't wage terrorism from it. Israel has offered land for peace, only to be rebuffed. If it was me. I'd color in the rest of that map.
I can't argue with that. Doing so would definitely bring peace.
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:22 pmThe Jews have no reason to expect anyone, the US included, to help defend em. They are, if only from a historic or psychological perspective, on their own.

I'm only surprised they haven't turned the rest of the Mideast into a sheet of glass.
It's probably for political reasons. It's a war of seeming to be the good guy as much as it is a traditional war. These are both very small nations that would be hard-pressed to survive if a big power decided they were the aggressor, and decided to intervene. But at the same time, this war for the moral high ground has caused infinitely more bloodshed than if one side was simply allowed to wipe the other out.

Israel has won that war of seeming to be the good guy, which is why they're always gobbling up more land and nobody really objects, and to be fair I have no evidence that the reason they seem to be the good guy isn't actually because they are the good guy. Maybe they seem to be, because they are. Simplest answer, Occam.

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I understand your sympathy for the Jewish people. I was once a hard-nosed defender of the Jewish people, just like you. For a time, I spent my time looking for the good side of the Israeli people. I was prepared to bombard the net with good things the Israelis have done.
The more I searched, the glummer it got. I have now turned 180 degrees from where I stood before.
The truth will set you free.
BTW: The Israelis were the first to engage in terrorist activities.
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thomasdixon wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:15 am ...
The truth will set you free.
And the truth is that Israel offered land for peace to no avail.

Too, too many Muslims simply will never accept anyone but their own in what they consider to be Muslim lands.
BTW: The Israelis were the first to engage in terrorist activities.
Please present pertinent days for analysis.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:36 pmAnd the truth is that Israel offered land for peace to no avail.
You are a stranger to me therefore I cannot just take your word for your statement. The short version is, prove it or shut up.
JoeyKnothead wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:36 pmToo, too many Muslims simply will never accept anyone but their own in what they consider to be Muslim lands.
All land is God's land. You, me and all the rest are just God's guests.


BTW: The Israelis were the first to engage in terrorist activities.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:36 pmPlease present pertinent days for analysis.
Joey's question is in reference to--
BTW: The Israelis were the first to engage in terrorist activities.
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JoeyKnothead, here is the answer you seek--
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.
March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

Do you see the above as acts of terrorism?

Stern Gang, also called Stern Group or Lehi, formally Loḥamei Ḥerut Yisraʾel (Hebrew: “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”), Zionist extremist organization in Palestine, founded in 1940 by Avraham Stern (1907–42) after a split in the right-wing underground movement Irgun Zvai Leumi.
Extremely anti-British, the group repeatedly attacked British personnel in Palestine and even invited aid from the Axis powers. The British police retaliated by killing Stern in his apartment in February 1942; many of the gang’s leaders were subsequently arrested. The group’s terrorist activities extended beyond Palestine: two members assassinated Lord Moyne, British minister of state in the Middle

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Purple Knight wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:41 am I think the OP makes a good point that nobody has the moral high horse on methods here. It's a nasty war. Both sides get very, very nasty.
That's why the simple answer is that whosoever is fighting for what is right, is right. Overall the Arabs have continued to lose land
It is not over until it is over & it is not over.
Today Israel does not have enough fresh water for it's people to live on. They depend on Palestinians, which is ironic to say the least
Israel was a person, not a place and Israel is long since dead.
The land they falsely claim is theirs is not and that too will dry up and blow away never to return.
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