Origin of Species book debate signup

Post by **otseng** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:58 pm

I will be starting a book debate of On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin (1859 first edition) in the next coming months.

If you'd like to join, reply here to sign up.

Jester · Post by **Jester** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:21 am

If there's no objections, I'd love to be involved.

Post by **otseng** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:12 am

Jester wrote:If there's no objections, I'd love to be involved.

Love for you to be involved. You're signed up.

Everyone reply here when you're ready to get started to debate the book.

Also, for reference, the first edition is online at TO:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/origin.html

Fallibleone · Post by **Fallibleone** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:27 am

Can I play?

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:16 pm

Jester wrote:If there's no objections, I'd love to be involved.

Why would anyone object? Don't be goofy, that is my job.

Fallibleone wrote:Can I play?

Bring goodies.

Post by **otseng** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:49 pm

Fallibleone wrote:Can I play?

The more the merrier. You're now on the roster.

byofrcs · Post by **byofrcs** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:15 am

otseng wrote:I will be starting a book debate of On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin (1859 first edition) in the next coming months.

If you'd like to join, reply here to sign up.

For me this is interesting in an amusing way.

As you may know I'm looking at the NIV bible to do some checking on the claims that the contents of the NIV are divinely inspired. I'm a bit slow as I had to get and use a NIV and they are not easily available as a text file (copyright issues) and it's got a lot of footnotes and stuff and it's 830 or so pages long). I still haven't fully cleaned up one but the stuff I have is OK for today and I'm making it better.

The full thread is, here

Anyway I have got a reasonably representative file which I'm still working on but that's not the funny bit. Read on.

The number 515 (as calculated as a Standard value for "Jesus") occurs in the NIV for around 22 unique words within a list of 14562 unique words. A ratio of around 1 in 662 or 0.151%

Now for the On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin text file I got from Gutenberg project, the number of unique words that equal to standard value 515 (which is the Standard value for "Jesus") is found 11 times i.e. 11 words out of a total unique corpus of around 7251 words (give or take a few), which is......1 in 659 or around 0.151%. Note that the Origin of Species does NOT contain the word "Jesus".

Now I know the unique word count for the NIV is probably too high because I haven't stripped all the footnotes so the ratio for the NIV will probably trend to the very similar number as the Origin of Species.

I find that funny. The total word count including duplicates of the Origin of Species is 156924 and the NIV is around 782675 so both of these are not small books.

So is thebluetriangle going to join the group of book debaters given that the coincidence of the ratios would suggest that the Origin of Species is also divinely inspired ?

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:59 am

byofrcs wrote:[
The number 515 (as calculated as a Standard value for "Jesus") occurs in the NIV for around 22 unique words within a list of 14562 unique words. A ratio of around 1 in 662 or 0.151%

Now for the On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin text file I got from Gutenberg project, the number of unique words that equal to standard value 515 (which is the Standard value for "Jesus") is found 11 times i.e. 11 words out of a total unique corpus of around 7251 words (give or take a few), which is......1 in 659 or around 0.151%. Note that the Origin of Species does NOT contain the word "Jesus".

Now I know the unique word count for the NIV is probably too high because I haven't stripped all the footnotes so the ratio for the NIV will probably trend to the very similar number as the Origin of Species.

I find that funny. The total word count including duplicates of the Origin of Species is 156924 and the NIV is around 782675 so both of these are not small books.

So is thebluetriangle going to join the group of book debaters given that the coincidence of the ratios would suggest that the Origin of Species is also divinely inspired ?

Maybe Darwin should have used the word Jesus is his book.
I wonder how it would read if we took any word from the OoS that had a value of 515 and replaced it with Jesus.
Of course Jesus wasn't the only word in the NIV that had a value of 515.

I am reading "Darwin's Ghost" where in the beginings of life on this planet DNA were almost universal and could be shared by many life forms.

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:23 pm

Though my participation might be sporadic, I would like to join in.

Post by **otseng** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:12 pm

Confused wrote:Though my participation might be sporadic, I would like to join in.

Got you added.

RyanP · Post by **RyanP** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:04 pm

May I join?

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