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N-Topia an new system of social organisation and power.

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What is a netural or netural topia

Well first is is a Topia which sits in abalenced position within all the posible topias that there are.

U- topia and dis topia are two extremes which have many varied forms, and types of expression. You for example can have a communist u-topia or a communist dis-topia, lets call them communism 1 and communism 2 you can also have dis and u topic socialism or capitalism, anarkism- even though all anakistic systems work to u-topia.

So simply put an N- topic system would sit in the middle of all the possibles topias.

as below:

..............Communism1
..Capitalism1.............Socialism2
..................\ I /
................N-topia
Socialism1....../ I \.........Capitalism2
..............communism2

This rather simply N-topic structure listed above should give some indication as to how an N-topia would work, ofcourse you would have all the possible systems that there are included as well as other systems that could be imagined.

Productionism, communitalism, chaosism, neo-communism, neo-fascism so on and so fourth.

N-topia works by taking from each system the things which are useful and rejects the things which are not useful. By useful, we are talking about things which make society sustainable and beneficial for all members of it.N-Topia seeks to become as sustainable as possible while giving all memebers of the society as much freedom as possible and as much life style choice as possible, in this sense if someone should want to live as a communist they could have a place provided for them with in the N-topic system, in this sense the N-topic country offers as much choice of life style to all the members as is sustainable and achieveable.

A U-topia is inherently good for some yet bad for others, which is why an N-topia seeks to offer all its members a place, rather than a one size fits all society; N-Topia seeks to give each person a place they feel more comfortable with. A multi-topic society- a netual or natural society.

Of course I am still in the earily stages of writing N-topia, but I do believe that from this small post most will glen some Idea of what an N-topia would or could be like.

Related topic are Netural freedoms an extencion on Isaiah Berlins theory of negative freedom society, which I believe would not be suitable for an N-topic structure and would cause it to actually become unsustainable, which is why I propose a netural freedom society, to run in conjunction with the N-topia.

Ofcourse there are debates to have with regards to social structure and N-topia only deals with the societies foundation and not it's hyrakical structure. Yet for a society to become N-topic it is important that the rule of law be placed over all the societies members and democracy be given to the people so that they have a voice interms of things they would like to see with-in the society and can have a say and critic the leaders or even change them, should the leaders work against the interests of the people, society, and become unjust or selfish.

It is as I said a work in Progress yet I feel I have developed it surficently enought to post it on here.



I ofcourse have not included with in this post, the living bio-logical part to the N-topic system.


As I know some of you must be wondering here is what I propose.

A Netural Freedom society.

Where both negative and positive freedoms are allowed, with restrictions placed upon freedoms which are either, 1. unjust 2. could cause the society to become unsustainable.

In regards to no. 2 there are of course areas of serious debate, some freedoms if used by a majority of the populous could for example cause the society to become unsustainable, yet if a minimal amount of citizens acted in such a way, the society would not become unsustainable- Fines would probably be the best course of action; Whereby the freedom is allowed yet fine are placed upon those that do it simply to prevent it's spread- should the fine be insufficient it would be increased until it is sufficient to limit the numbers to an amount that does not threaten the stability of the country.

Please notice that as it stands today the majority of those who rule would be in prison under this system, as they act both unjustly and unsustainable- Here it's clear to see why they will oppose it- the natural reaction of someone irrational and uncaring of the society in which they live.

All positive and negative freedoms in terms of thought would of course be allowed. And the rule of law used to prohibit actions and acts which were considered to be either in just or a possible cause of unsustainable of the society, and of course the fines as stated before.

I am a royalist I will point out for a few reasons. 1 A king connot be just anyone, whereas a president can be. 2 a king or queen would provide a stabilizing element for the society. 3 As I also believe in democracy the king or queen as head of state would not rule as such, although I would increase the powers of a king or queen in certain areas of nation and public interest.

I also believe that all people should be under the rule of law including the king or queen. Which in of itself- calls for a "law President" who is responsible for the law in temporal terms- yet nothing else.

as such in Britain you would have under this system I propose:

King or Queen as head of state-

A president in regards to the law-

Then the houses of commons and Lord- responsible as always to create laws and also rule.

In terms of Justice a "Judge" this of course is a Jewish term for high priest. That postion would of course be taken by the archbishop of canterbury, the religious authority of the land, still of course under the Queen yet with increased powers.

This would be a neturally free society, an N-topia pulling together all the different systems and working to make society as just and sustainable a place as humanly possible. As have a new idea for an socail entitlement calll communitalism- rough working title.

Free market as always, with a sustainable quality market foundation-these terms you might not understand and it would probably take a while too. Small business encouraged and big business dis-couraged- naturally that would increase employment, and as all will be called to act as sustainable as possible also be highly enviromental.
"Be loving as your lord is loving´ Christian ´Compassionate as Allah is compassionate´ Muslim, and Jew,´be humble and love Yihweh your God with everything you´ve got´"

"Look! More Queens then Beas is a bad thing!"

"Judge others as you wish to be judged"

Quotes:- ME

Oh and "yes these are my ideas!"

"the Golden rule of Buddism is not ´it´s every monk for himself´Quote- A.f.c.W

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As netural topia society seeks to be sustainable, they should rationally only use the resourses they have available, in a sustainable and enviromentally friendly way, surplus resoures would and could ofcourse be traded with other societies, but generally each society would be insolated from others as rational sustainability dictates.

To say they would not need resourses from other nations to function nor sustain themselves, trade would flow in terms of luxaries.


Understanding this point, War would no longer be possible, or better said rational. War is always a search for new resourses and territory, war is always ecconomic. Only a society that is not living sustainably would have to venture into conflict as a means of correcting the unsustainable manner in which said society has been using and allowcating the resourses it has access to.

Ergo a Netural topia society could and would never be a society of Empire or War, for either, are, by definition, expressions of irrational use of resourses and territory; and contary to the very prinicples that rational sustainablitiy calls for.
"Be loving as your lord is loving´ Christian ´Compassionate as Allah is compassionate´ Muslim, and Jew,´be humble and love Yihweh your God with everything you´ve got´"

"Look! More Queens then Beas is a bad thing!"

"Judge others as you wish to be judged"

Quotes:- ME

Oh and "yes these are my ideas!"

"the Golden rule of Buddism is not ´it´s every monk for himself´Quote- A.f.c.W

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Still areas to develop.


But generally, N-topia moves into few areas

Firstly are:

Capitalism, Communism, socialism, feudalism so on.

These are social ecconomic systems...


Then you have power structures,

like:- Monarchy, Theocracy, Democracy, Republic, Oligarchy.


Ergo there is an N-topic ecconomic system and an N-topic Power structure.


But also society also has philosopical structures or better said a philosophy behind many of the structures and laws created, these can be lead by

Egalitarianism, Liberialism, Progressivism, Conservativism.

N-topia again, would seek a balenced position.


Ofcourse the real foundation of Modern society today is Negative Liberty.

And again N-topia seeks the netural position between both Positive and negative freedoms.


It´s a endeviour, there are many things to consider,

But N-topia is a rational system.

It follows rational ideas and evidence of what can and does work, to achieve its ends of sustainablitiy, justice, and freedom.


The future is a fantasy until it arrives;

understanding that, you move reasonably.

Understanding that also you might notice that currently there is a Group pushing a revolution on the planet, a revolution of total corporate dominence- A fantasy, a dream- and one we won´t fully understand til it arrives.

N-topia would actually work to provent this, the this being crazy radicals seeking a revolutionary fantasy, as rationality and sustainability take the leading place

To say in some sense the actual sturcture of the society is designed out of the hands of people, it does not follow, dreams and desires, but rational, logical and reasonable thought.

Rulers often work soley for their own ends, weather they are in business, law, religion or politics;

N-topia simply asks the question: what actually rationally works? And ignores the petty interests of rulers.

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As a futher point

In a N-topic world, nations would learn from each other, and correct problems in their own nation as they saw them arise in others. A never ending experiment in a sense.
"Be loving as your lord is loving´ Christian ´Compassionate as Allah is compassionate´ Muslim, and Jew,´be humble and love Yihweh your God with everything you´ve got´"

"Look! More Queens then Beas is a bad thing!"

"Judge others as you wish to be judged"

Quotes:- ME

Oh and "yes these are my ideas!"

"the Golden rule of Buddism is not ´it´s every monk for himself´Quote- A.f.c.W

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