Jesus Sacrificing His Life

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DavidLeon wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:17 am It's incidental. His life wasn't being sacrificed, his blood was.
Yes, we all know people who survive for +/- 2,000 years without blood.


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Tcg wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:27 am
DavidLeon wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:17 am It's incidental. His life wasn't being sacrificed, his blood was.
Yes, we all know people who survive for +/- 2,000 years without blood.
That's like me saying we all know no one has evolved from an ape in the last 2,000 years. Jesus existed in heaven before the universe was created and he had no blood all that time. He existed there after his resurrection without blood.
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tam wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:53 pm Peace again to you,
Miles wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:37 pm
tam wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:16 pm Peace to you,
Miles wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm


In several threads I've seen here it's been said that Jesus sacrificed his life so that those who "believed in him" would gain salvation.

That a person will gain salvation is not in question, but rather the claim that Jesus, the Son of god, sacrificed, his life.

Sacrifice
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1. to willingly give up something one would otherwise rather keep.
On the night He was arrested:

He (Christ) took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee and began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. 38Then He said to them, My soul is consumed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with Me. 39Going a little farther, He fell facedown and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.

Doesn't sound to me like He wanted to go through what was about to happen to Him. But He still did it, putting His Father's will before even His own will:

He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”
Out of curiosity, where does he say this?



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Sorry, Matthew 26:38, 39, 42
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In light of all the certitude and acceptance Jesus expressed of his upcoming demise in many of the preceding verses these remarks are a bit odd. Although, it's said the cup mentioned in V. 39 & 42 was a symbol of suffering, which is what Jesus was asking god to spare him from; suffering on the cross.

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bjs1 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:36 pm
Miles wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm As sort of an analogy, it's like an American going to France for a year where he expends his energy working for the the government, and then returns to the USA to resume his life. Essentially no change in the guy from before he went to France to after he came back.
This is not an accurate analogy.
Which is why I said it was "sort of an analogy."


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tam wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 pm Peace again to you,
Miles wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:49 pm It was against Judaic law.


Which law is that?
Your wiki blurb does not mention it.
Don't know. I'm just repeating what I read.



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Miles wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:07 am
bjs1 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:36 pm
Miles wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 pm As sort of an analogy, it's like an American going to France for a year where he expends his energy working for the the government, and then returns to the USA to resume his life. Essentially no change in the guy from before he went to France to after he came back.
This is not an accurate analogy.
Which is why I said it was "sort of an analogy."


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Which is why I provided a more accurate, though still imperfect, analogy which points out how Jesus’ actions were a sacrifice.

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