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Original Sin

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"Original sin is the Christian doctrine that humans inherit a tainted nature and a proclivity to sin through the fact of birth. Theologians have characterized this condition in many ways, seeing it as ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature", to total depravity or automatic guilt of all humans through collective guilt.

The doctrine of original sin began to emerge in the 3rd century but only became fully formed with the writings of Augustine of Hippo (354–430), who was the first author to use the phrase "original sin" (Latin: peccatum originale). Augustine's conception of original sin was based on a mistranslated passage in Paul the Apostle's Epistle to the Romans, and scholars have debated whether the passage supports Augustine's view.

Augustine's formulation of original sin became popular among Protestant reformers, such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated original sin with concupiscence (or "hurtful desire"), affirming that it persisted even after baptism and completely destroyed freedom to do good and proposed that original sin involved a loss of free will except to sin.


Roman Catholicism
Catholic veiw: "Original sin may be taken to mean: (1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.
By his sin Adam, as the first man, lost the original holiness and justice he had received from God, not only for himself but for all humans.
Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin". As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence")


Lutheranism
The Lutheran Churches teach that original sin "is a root and fountain-head of all actual sins.
Martin Luther (1483–1546) asserted that humans inherit Adamic guilt and are in a state of sin from the moment of conception.


Jehovah's Witnesses
The consequences of the Fall spread to the whole of the human race . This is elucidated by St Paul: ‘Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin , and so death spread to all men because all men sinned’ (Rom.5:12).
This text, which formed the Church’s basis of her teaching on ‘ original sin ’, may be understood in a number of ways: the Greek words ef’ ho pantes hemarton may be translated not only as ‘because all men sinned’ but also ‘in whom [that is, in Adam] all men sinned’. Different readings of the text may produce different understandings of what ‘ original sin ’ means.
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) rejects the doctrine of original sin.

Methodism

Methodist theology teaches that a believer is made free from original sin when he/she is entirely sanctified.
(["entirely sanctified" or] Christian perfection is the name given to various teachings within Christianity that describe the process of achieving spiritual maturity or perfection. The ultimate goal of this process is union with God characterized by pure love of God and other people as well as personal holiness or sanctification.
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Eastern Christianity
The Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Churches' version of original sin is the view that sin originates with the Devil, "for the devil sins from the beginning (1 John iii. 8)".[74] The Eastern Church never subscribed to Augustine of Hippo's notions of original sin and hereditary guilt. The Church does not interpret "original sin" as having anything to do with transmitted guilt but with transmitted mortality. Because Adam sinned, all humanity shares not in his guilt but in the same punishment .
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So, what do think of original sin; a third century Christian doctrine created to invest salvation with greater significance, a concept of questionable value, or concocted hogwash?


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Re: Original Sin

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Difflugia wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:41 pm The natural way to read Genesis 3:1ff is that 3:1a, "and the serpent was the 'arun of all the animals," was intended as a prologue for the rest of chapter 3, which explicitly portrays the serpent in a negative light ("The serpent deceived me!" "Because you have done this, you are cursed...").
What is "The natural way to read Genesis"?
NATURAL

1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.

2. in accordance with the nature of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.

"The natural way"? What do'you mean "the natural way" ? The natural way to read Genesis is to form sounds from the letter and attribute meaning to each grouping, in the case of English to do this from left to right. If you mean to read the words in the order in which thet appear on the page from top to bottom how is that relevant?

Perhaps you could rephrase what you mean by "natural" as it means little in the context of our discussion.




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Re: Original Sin

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[Replying to Difflugia in post #81]

Thanks for this (and the subsequent post) - well-reasoned and supported arguments.

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Re: Original Sin

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2timothy316 wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:53 am I take into account the whole Bible not just a single word.
That would take some considerable time to address.

Perhaps our different approaches (mine focussing on understanding detail, and your more holistic approach) are more of a barrier to debate than we might have previously thought. Not suggesting either approach is better.
I am certainly not getting any thought provoking insights from your side of the debate.
That’s unfortunate for you. However, I can’t control whether you think or not.

From my perspective, I haven’t seen answers to many of the questions asked of you. I’ll keep an eye on the thread just in case though.

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Re: Original Sin

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:31 pm What is "The natural way to read Genesis"?

"The natural way"? What do'you mean "the natural way" ? The natural way to read Genesis is to form sounds from the letter and attribute meaning to each grouping, in the case of English to do this from left to right. If you mean to read the words in the order in which thet appear on the page from top to bottom how is that relevant?

Perhaps you could rephrase what you mean by "natural" as it means little in the context of our discussion.
I meant it exactly the same way you did here, here, here, here, here, and here.
My preferred pronouns are he, him, and his.

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Re: Original Sin

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Diagoras wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:35 pm [Replying to Difflugia in post #81]

Thanks for this (and the subsequent post) - well-reasoned and supported arguments.

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