My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/
Is that correct?
There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/
Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?
The 144,000 in JW theology
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The 144,000 in JW theology
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #11Who or what do you say the 144,000 are, Wootah?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:59 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #8]
On a personal note - are you trying to achieve that status of one of the 144,000?
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Post #1212 tribes, 12 disciples. A symbol of the whole and complete body of Christians.Checkpoint wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:17 amWho or what do you say the 144,000 are, Wootah?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:59 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #8]
On a personal note - are you trying to achieve that status of one of the 144,000?
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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology
Post #13If you add those up it comes to 24. Even if you multiply them, you get only 144. That's 143,856 short.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:14 am12 tribes, 12 disciples. A symbol of the whole and complete body of Christians.Checkpoint wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:17 amWho or what do you say the 144,000 are, Wootah?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:59 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #8]
On a personal note - are you trying to achieve that status of one of the 144,000?
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Post #14What does make you think that being one of the 144000 is a "status" that anyone can "try to achieve"?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:59 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #8]
On a personal note - are you trying to achieve that status of one of the 144,000?
Do you think that a king of the Kingdom of God or a priest of Jehovah can decide to be chosen for that by himself?
Not even Jesus decided to be High Priest by himself ... If you study tle Scriptures like we, Jehovah's Witnesses, do, you would know that (Heb. 5:4-6).
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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology
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From Wikipedia.
Kind of neat how members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses change the singular "slave" of Matthew and the phantom singular "slave" of Luke into a collective so as to make up a "group" of lucky followers.
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From Wikipedia.
"Jehovah's Witnesses
Main article: The 'anointed' (Jehovah's Witnesses and salvation)
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians from Pentecost of 33 AD until the present day will be resurrected to heaven as immortal spirit beings to spend eternity with God and Christ. They believe that these people are "anointed" by God to become part of the spiritual "Israel of God". They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with Christ as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by God (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous and the unrighteous" ones of Acts 24:15), will be given an opportunity to live forever in a restored paradise on earth.
Individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. More than 19,500 Witnesses worldwide—an increase of about 11,000 since 1995—claim to be of the anointed "remnant" of the 144,000. The members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42."
Main article: The 'anointed' (Jehovah's Witnesses and salvation)
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians from Pentecost of 33 AD until the present day will be resurrected to heaven as immortal spirit beings to spend eternity with God and Christ. They believe that these people are "anointed" by God to become part of the spiritual "Israel of God". They believe the 144,000 (which they consider to be synonymous with the "little flock" of Luke 12:32) will serve with Christ as king-priests for a thousand years, while all other people accepted by God (the "other sheep" of John 10:16, composed of "the great crowd" of Revelation 7:9,14 and the resurrected "righteous and the unrighteous" ones of Acts 24:15), will be given an opportunity to live forever in a restored paradise on earth.
Individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. More than 19,500 Witnesses worldwide—an increase of about 11,000 since 1995—claim to be of the anointed "remnant" of the 144,000. The members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42."
Matthew 24:45
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
Luke 12:42
42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
Luke 12:42
42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?
Kind of neat how members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses change the singular "slave" of Matthew and the phantom singular "slave" of Luke into a collective so as to make up a "group" of lucky followers.
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Post #16Only God knows for sure. Last year 21,182 people partook of the elements (the bread and the wine) at our annual memoral but how many of them have a genuine calling is we believe between them and Jehovah GOD.
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Post #17Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:28 amIf you add those up it comes to 24. Even if you multiply them, you get only 144. That's 143,856 short.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:14 am12 tribes, 12 disciples. A symbol of the whole and complete body of Christians.Checkpoint wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:17 amWho or what do you say the 144,000 are, Wootah?Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:59 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #8]
On a personal note - are you trying to achieve that status of one of the 144,000?
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Post #19They could not, Jesus had come to establish the Christian church .... so biblically they could not receive the invitation to join him as part if that ruling class. Faithful men and women of old will, we believe, be resurrected to be sujects of that kingdom govenment. We believe they will live right on this our planet earth restored to a gardenlike paradise.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:52 pm
What about Abraham, Issac and Jacob and their descendants as well as all of the prophets in the Old and New Testaments? They did not belong to the JW church.
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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology
Post #20We serve the same God, Jehovah. Who cares about the name of the group? If I were alive back in Abraham's, Issac's, Moses' and Jacob's day I find a way to be with those people. Like Rahab and Ruth did. Likewise, if Abraham, Issac and Jacob were alive today, they would be with the people that carry God's name. People worry too much on the name of groups and do not focus on what is true. I know Catholics that don't believe in Hellfire but for some reason they stay Catholic just because it's what they were raise as and for no other reason. Its just an identifier. They don't care if their religion teaches things they don't see as true.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:52 pm To whom it may concern,
It should be remembered that the interpretation of the JW's is a private interpretation and should be considered as such....
What about Abraham, Issac and Jacob and their descendants as well as all of the prophets in the Old and New Testaments? They did not belong to the JW church.
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The 144,000 is a number found nowhere else in the Bible other than Revelation. It refers to only one group of people. These things are true. I have read tons of subjects on the 144,000 number. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones that have made any sense of that number.