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The 144,000 in JW theology

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My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?
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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology

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Diagoras wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:28 pmI read this blog on the subject and I have to say this is the most confused, double minded contradictory hooey I've read this week.

Revelation 7 is clearer. It says a 'great multitude' will be saved. The 144,000 refers to the 12 tribes of the 'sons of Israel,' exactly 12,000 from each tribe. Pretty slick how those numbers work out so precisely. :) In a normal world you'd guess Asher'd have a few more, Gad a few less and so on. To come up with EXACTLY 12,000 for each tribe, now that's gotta be a almighty miracle!
No miracle. In a normal world 144,000 men needed divided by 12 tribes = 12,000 men from each tribe.

The only possible problem would be if any one tribe contained less that 12,000 men.
jw.org wrote:The Bible indicates that 144,000 people will be resurrected to heavenly life. (Revelation 7:4)
Revelation 7:4 wrote:And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Revelation 7:4 doesn't seem to say that the 144,000 will be resurrected to heavenly life. There is no mention of resurrection, heaven, or life.

Also, Jesus will return and rule the earth forever and ever and Christians born again of the Spirit will rule with Him -- on the earth.
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Re: The 144,000 in JW theology

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #81]

Not a criticism of you - likely the fact that we have similar user names, but it was in fact Diogenes who you were quoting in the above post, not me.

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:09 pm
jw.org wrote:The Bible indicates that 144,000 people will be resurrected to heavenly life. (Revelation 7:4)
Revelation 7:4 wrote:And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Revelation 7:4 doesn't seem to say that the 144,000 will be resurrected to heavenly life.
Did I say "Revelation 7:4 indicates" or did I say "The Bible" indicates? Jehovahs Witnesses take a wholistic approach to bible interpretation, meaning we base our understanding on the entire bible. We analyse every single passage in the bible and applying critical thinking skills come to a conclusion about any one given scripture. Revelation 7:4 is where we get the question (who are the 144,000?) the entire bible (Genesis to Revelation) is where we get the answer, regardless of when the passages where actually written, regardless of who they were written by and regardless whether or not the specific words in the passage in question are there.


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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:09 pm...Jesus will return and rule the earth forever and ever and Christians born again of the Spirit will rule with Him -- on the earth.
We Jehovahs Witnesses do believe Jesus will return and that he and born again Christians will rule the earth (not forever but for 1000 years only). We do NOT believe Jesus will ever leave his Father's side in heaven to live on earth. Nor, like some, do we believe Jesus will travel back and forth between heaven and earth like Satan did during the time of Job. We believe Jesus will forever more be with his Father in permanent unending residence in the heavens. (Argubly, if Jesus needs someone to literally come down from heaven to do something or relay a message Jesus has myriads of angels to command for that very purpose just as in bible times).




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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:24 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:09 pm...Jesus will return and rule the earth forever and ever and Christians born again of the Spirit will rule with Him -- on the earth.
We Jehovahs Witnesses do believe Jesus will return and that he and born again Christians will rule the earth (not forever but for 1000 years only). We do NOT believe Jesus will ever leave his Father's side in heaven to live on earth. Nor, like some, do we believe Jesus will travel back and forth between heaven and earth like Satan did during the time of Job. We believe Jesus will forever more be with his Father in permanent unending residence in the heavens. (Argubly, if Jesus needs someone to literally come down from heaven to do something or relay a message Jesus has myriads of angels to command for that very purpose just as in bible times).
Jesus was the solution to the fault in the Old Testament Covenant between mankind and God. Under that covenant one had to remain without sin to gain everlasting life. But there was a fault in that covenant in that every man ever created had sinned. Thus no one had ever gained everlasting life under that covenant.

To solve that problem, God the Word was temporarily made the flesh and blood, mortal physical human being, named Jesus Christ. Being a man, Jesus fell under the covenant between man and God as a possible heir. Indeed, He lived a sinless life, died the first death without sin, and is thus an heir to everlasting life under that covenant. In fact, He is the only human to qualify as an heir under that covenant.

But it was preordained that Jesus would not inherit His justly deserved inheritance, but offer it as a gift to every human who accepted Him as their Savior and Lord under the New Testament covenant.

Having accomplished His mission as a man, there is no longer any reason for The Word to exist as a man.

But that is how we know Jesus, so we continue using the name, although The Word would be more correct.

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Having said all that, your statement above is basically correct. Jesus as The Word is omnipresent. He has no cause to travel back and forth or reside in any spot because He is always at every spot. But these spiritual bodied characteristics cannot now be understood by those in the physical world. We will not understand these mysteries until we are born again into the spiritual world.

I disagree that Jesus as The Word and believers will only rule the world for 1,000 years. The plan is that rulers of the world need everlasting life so they can rule forever. The 1,000 year millennium is the biblical day of rest.
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