Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[William]

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

It is about personal preference. There are those who prefer the author of Ecclesiastes to the words Jesus spoke to the dying man next to him...

The Bible caters for all manner of beliefs...

[JehovahsWitness]

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Not at all. It is rather for the sake of those who cannot understand YHWH enough to commune with Her maternal side that She answers to they, in the masculine.

I provided scriptural support for my conclusions. Where is your scriptural evidence ?

[JehovahsWitness]

There is no place YHWH cannot be. That is biblically sound. I am not suggesting it is the only place YHWH resides...but one of the many places YHWH resides.

WHERE DOES GOD LIVE (RESIDE)?



Biblically God resides in heaven.

1 KINGS 8: 30, 30

“May you yourself hear from the heavens, your established place of dwelling.”

Being omnipotent there is no question YHWH (Jehovah) can reside where he likes but he chooses to be in heaven not on the earth and certainly not inside it.

1 KINGS 8:27 ESV

“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!

JW




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[William]

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Not at all. It is rather for the sake of those who cannot understand YHWH enough to commune with Her maternal side that She answers to they, in the masculine.

I provided scriptural support for my conclusions. Where is your scriptural evidence ?

You provided evidence that some folk see YHWH in the masculine. That is not scriptural evidence that YHWH is only to be referred to in the masculine.

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2323]

Being omnipotent there is no question YHWH (Jehovah) can reside where he likes but he chooses to be in heaven not on the earth and certainly not inside it.

Being omnipresent YHWH can be in all places simultaneously.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that YHWH is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means Her [or 'His' if one prefers] divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where She/He does not inhabit.

Psalms Chapter 139

Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

By all means, be among those who limit YHWH to one habitat if that is your preference. The bible has many variations in which to cater for the beliefs folk have.

[JehovahsWitness]

You provided evidence that some folk see YHWH in the masculine. That is not scriptural evidence that YHWH is only to be referred to in the masculine.

Can you provide a single example in scripture when He is not? If not, upon what valid basis (biblical) do you claim otherwise?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2323]

Being omnipotent there is no question YHWH (Jehovah) can reside where he likes but he chooses to be in heaven not on the earth and certainly not inside it.

Being omnipresent YHWH can be in all places simultaneously.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that YHWH is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means Her [or 'His' if one prefers] divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where She/He does not inhabit.

Psalms Chapter 139

Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

By all means, be among those who limit YHWH to one habitat if that is your preference. The bible has many variations in which to cater for the beliefs folk have.

The scripture you quote does not say or imply God'is omnipresent. It says there is nowhere one can escape his spirit. or "presence" it does not say God lives in all these places.



JW

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2326]

Do you want to descend into the silliness of gender warfare? Is that what you think use of the bible is for?

If one wishes to refer to YHWH in the masculine, one is entitled to do so. Same applies to those who prefer not to let the masculine overshadow/eclipse the Matriarch.
Each to their own on that, but far be it for anyone to claim it has to be one way or the other. That is old fashioned and can lead one astray...

YHWH's "presence" (Shekinah) is a grammatically feminine word, and is often employed as a feminine aspect of God.

One doesn't have to be an SA brown-shirt about the subject. What appeals to you about the image of YHWH, does not mean it is necessary for everyone to follow suit...you cannot limit YHWH in that way, other than limit Her abilities to suit ones ability to accept YHWH as best one is able....

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2323]

Being omnipotent there is no question YHWH (Jehovah) can reside where he likes but he chooses to be in heaven not on the earth and certainly not inside it.

Being omnipresent YHWH can be in all places simultaneously.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that YHWH is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means Her [or 'His' if one prefers] divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where She/He does not inhabit.

Psalms Chapter 139

Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

By all means, be among those who limit YHWH to one habitat if that is your preference. The bible has many variations in which to cater for the beliefs folk have.

The scripture you quote does not say or imply God'is omnipresent. It says there is nowhere one can escape his spirit. or "presence" it does not say God lives in all these places.



JW

YHWH IS SPIRIT. [John 4:24]

I see where one's beliefs force one to support just the one idea - that is great if it works for one.
Some need YHWH to be in just the one place - and not to be spirit but to be a masculine image enthroned in a particular place...
I am certainly not alive to get into any silly arguments with one over personal beliefs.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #2329]

That is why I wrote that the bible caters for a number of beliefs. Better to accept the legitimacy of all than to throw one's weight behind that which one believes in and all the others.