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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to nobspeople in post #2348]
Personally, I believe god was created in man's image and in a male dominated society of the time, god was thusly 'male' in its description.
But let's take the happy trolley to what I'll call 'imagination-land', where god created everything.
Again, in a male dominated society of the time the bible was written, it would make sense for men to write about god as a male.
There are cultures on this planet that, even today, have more than one gender.
So for someone to expect god to be only 'male or female' seems, at best, reflective of the culture in which one currently lives IMO
How that relates to 'paradise'.....? Maybe there, it will be non-binary, genderless or androgynous? Maybe everyone will look the same, sound the same, think the same... that may be paradise for some?
Obviously the culture will have to shift from the male-dominated one to the shared one [whatever that might be] and would be all-inclusive for that.
I would rather not have sex-organs in such a paradise - not just because they appear to be so connected re the problems of the world - but more realistically, there would be no more need to 'go forth and multiply' since no one will be dying anymore.

My preference re 'what is paradise' re 'living forevermore on this one planet' would be to have the ability to exist through all forms simultaneously, know all thoughts being thought at all times and be able to direct the progress of the population toward ensuring continuous peace and harmony.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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William wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:06 pm
YHWH is not bound by the Bible as far as inspiring folk to write down their relationship with YHWH.
As far as this subforum is concern extracanonical writings are not viewed as authoratative; so unless any of these folks happened to write something that has been canonized in scripture my point stands. You are of course free to advocate an unbiblical and scripturally untenable position; possibly there might be someone on the world wide web that accords that any credence .
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:36 pm
William wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:17 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #2352]
What about nonbelievers? Where are they, and what is their fate? They are probably the largest group of people.
YHWH has something for everyone. :)
Well, that really nailed it down.

Powerful argument.
Exactly.

What more need be added. :)
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:38 pm
William wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:53 pm What more need be added. :)
Oh, oh, oh .. . I know this one!

An answer to the question.
The words "YHWH has something for everyone." is an answer. What you are looking for is elaboration. What I have already noted in this thread is that YHWH is more than capable of granting everyone their wishes.
Post #2245 wrote: William: "Notions of living forever on this planet are romantic stories which must have been popular around ancient campfires, - the wish in personalities who believe this so strongly they want to be a part of it, but often such wishes are not accompanied with thinking through the implications - which is also why there is a saying - "Be careful what you wish for.""
Re the thread subject Q's;
Q: "Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?"

the two opposing camps of fort would be.
1. It won't be happening that way.
2: It will be happening that way.

Q: If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"?
the two opposing camps of fort would be.
1. Yes.
2: No.

Re the two camps of fort to do with death
1. When the brain dies, that is the end of you...unless YHWH resurrects your personality at some later date
2: When the body dies, the personality goes with the spirit, onto the next experience

Those are 'wishes'.

Re 'unbelief' and the idea that "when the brain dies, that is the end of you..." - YHWH can grant that wish...

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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William wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:06 pm"Let USThe Father and The Mother together create the Children...that is the nature of life on this planet.

If it were not so, the YHWH would not have also created the Hermaphrodite.
Why is there no mention of the Hermaphrodite in Genesis 1:27?
Genesis 1:27 wrote:So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And what about Siamese twins?

Did they made Adam as he, Eve as her, Hermaphrodite as he and her, and Siamese twins as he/he, he/her, or her/her?

I think the male and female is meant to refer in a one-to-one relation with Adam and Eve.
William wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:06 pmI have made it plain with supporting argument that there is absolutely no disrespect on my part in referring to YHWH as the Matriarch.
OK, right on. :roll:

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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William wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:06 pm
My interest is in the OP thread subject specific to the belief that this planet is going to be one's home forever.
Indeed biblically Jehovah has made it clear in scripture that everlasting life on this our planet earth is the hope of the righteous.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to William in post #2363]

What is a "camp of fort"?

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2364]
Why is there no mention of the Hermaphrodite in Genesis 1:27?
My best guess is that this is because the Bible was written by males who were focused upon their 'kind' rather than every 'kind' which YHWH did create. [re human beings specific]

Why do you think there is no mention of Hermaphrodites in Genesis?
And what about Siamese twins?
Another hint from YHWH that they are many and they are One. [Hear oh Israel].
Did they made Adam as he, Eve as her, Hermaphrodite as he and her, and Siamese twins as he/he, he/her, or her/her?

I think the male and female is meant to refer in a one-to-one relation with Adam and Eve.
Perhaps this is because the heterosexuals are troublesome in that regard...

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2366]
What is a "camp of fort"?
It is that which the individual surrounds their mind with in relation to how the individual personality thinks the forts he thinks.

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also: I consider this icon > :roll: < to being impolite

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2365]

YHWH has made it clear in recent communications with me via the Generated Messages, that everlasting life on this our planet earth is the hope of the righteous.

Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be forever

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:53 am
Yes, we can live forever here on the earth -- but not as humans.

We must be changed to spirits.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:23 pm
HOW DO WE KNOW IT WILL BE HUMAN BEINGS NOT SPIRITS THAT WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH ?


Because the earth was created for humans not spirits; since the bible assures us whatever God purposes must come true, then t is impossible for God to fail to make this happen and instead give the planet to another life form.
Genesis 1:1 wrote:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is the end of the original creation.

There is no mention of man, because it does not involve mankind at this point!

Man is created in the re-creation of a decimated earth, which begins in Genesis 1:3.

So man is Plan "B". The earth was never created for man. Man does not live long enough to rule over the earth.

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2369]
So man is Plan "B". The earth was never created for man. Man does not live long enough to rule over the earth.
What was Plan "A"? What was Earth created for?

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