Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[JehovahsWitness]

Q: What evidence do you have to support that "angels had their own personalities"

DO ANGELS HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONALITIES?

Answer: Yes.

According to the cambridge Dictionary PERSONALITY can be defined as

PERSONALITY:

[2]The type of person [1] you are, shown by the way you [2] behave , [3] feel, and [4] think:
Source: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... ersonality

So personality is reserved for [3] sentient beings capable of independent [4] thought and [2] action. Biblically the bible presents angels as feeling joy (Job 38:7), and thinking (and acting) independently (1 Kings 22:20) it is clear they are free moral agents (Rev 12:7) with their own individual personalities.




JW

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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2580]

I do not conflate 'the human form' with 'the human personality'.

Well, then I don't care.

That is besides the point. The establishment of any truthfulness or falseness to my argument does not rest on how you manage things, emotionally.

I am saying that scripturally, God did not create human beings to literally physically die.

Then it is up to you to show the reader that this is the case.

If you conflate a 'human being' with 'the human form', you will have to show us why the conflation is necessary.

My argument is valid that "human beings" are "personalities" and that the human form is simply that which YHVH uses in order that human personalities develop through that medium, BECUASE it is the human personality which YHVH invests interaction with.

According to scripture YHVH wanted them to continue in the physical bodies they were created with alive, forever.

Really? Then why don't you quote that scripture that the reader can find truth to you claim?

Are we to simply take your word for it? No. Of course not. We are to test the spirits of all claims presented.
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To add to that, part of the testing involves aligning what we know re what the human sciences
have uncovered for us to examine.

There is evidence to support that death has always been a part of the process of life on Earth, and thus we can say with certainty that YHVH created it in that way - to proceed as it did.

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[JehovahsWitness]

I am saying that scripturally, God did not create human beings to literally physically die.

Then it is up to you to show the reader that this is the case.

I already have.

...why don't you quote that scripture that the reader can find truth to you claim?

I already did.


JW



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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2581]

So personality is reserved for [3] sentient beings capable of independent [4] thought and [2] action.

Q: Does a wild horse have a personality, feel joy, act independently?

Q: Are you arguing that since Angels already had personalities, there was no point in YHVH creating personalities through other mediums - mediums other than Angels?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2581]

So personality is reserved for [3] sentient beings capable of independent [4] thought and [2] action.

Q: Does a wild horse have a personality, feel joy, act independently?

Yes. Animals and humans have personality. Angels and humans however are higher lifeforms since they are free moral agents.

Here is the full quote from my post including the bit you cut off in red.

So personality is reserved for [3] sentient beings capable of independent [4] thought and [2] action. Biblically the bible presents angels as feeling joy (Job 38:7), and thinking (and acting) independently (1 Kings 22:20) it is clear they are free moral agents (Rev 12:7) with their own individual personalities.

JW

It is your mine-quoting which is attempting to show that I am saying something else.

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2583]

I am saying that scripturally, YHVH did not create human beings to literally physically die.

Then it is up to you to show the reader that this is the case.

I already have.

This may or may not be the case. One can easily claim to have done something which they actually didn't do.
The best way to make sure - would be to simply show that as being the case.
Please quote where YHVH created the human form to literally NOT die.

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2585]

Q: Are you arguing that since Angels already had personalities, there was no point in YHVH creating personalities through other mediums - mediums other than Angels?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2585]

Q: Are you arguing that since Angels already had personalities, there was no point in YHVH creating personalities through other mediums - mediums other than Angels?

I don't know what "creating personalities through other mediums" means so I cannot anwser your question. All I can affirm is that according to the bible angels all have their own individual personalities.



JW

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2585]

Q: Are you arguing that since Angels already had personalities, there was no point in YHVH creating personalities through other mediums - mediums other than Angels?

I don't know what "creating personalities through other mediums" means so I cannot anwser your question. All I can affirm is that according to the bible angels all have their own individual personalities.

Another JW argued;

YHVH had no reason to try out personalities in physical bodies to transfer into spirit beings. He made angels that have their own personalities, so what would be the point in making physical beings that would later morph into spirits like the angels?

My question to you, had to do with that belief. Do you share that belief?

Also;

Please quote where YHVH created the human form to literally NOT die.

[JehovahsWitness]

Another JW argued;

YHVH had no reason to try out personalities in physical bodies to transfer into spirit beings. He made angels that have their own personalities, so what would be the point in making physical beings that would later morph into spirits like the angels?

My question to you, had to do with that belief.

I have never personally met anyone that believed in "trying out personalities in physical bodies to transfer into spirit beings" it sounds particilarly ludicous to me. It certainly is not scriptural.

I have met people that believe that humans " morph into spirits" after they die, which is essentialy the idea behind the pagan teaching of the immortality of the "soul". An equally unscriptural teaching.

JW