Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2668]

I believe that all humans have flesh and blood physical bodies, and that all spirits have spiritual bodies:

How you interpret things is what you believe about things and what you believe, does not make it so.

The only spirit which man has at present is that level of enthusiasm, dreams, out of body stuff, and other things which we call non-physical -- but which really are physical.

Are you declaring that the mind is physical?

Of course it is.

Mind: the element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought:

The dead know not any thing.

The living do know things.

"The element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences" vanishes without inputs and something to interpret those inputs.

Something to interpret those inputs speaks to the physical world.

When those two physical things of a living being disappear forever, the mind of the person (by the above definition) disappears also.

[myth-one.com]

We physical people here on Earth will always be a part of the Kingdom, as we are citizens of that government.

Those of us here on the earth will remain in our flesh and blood bodies.

I Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;...

You can't have it both ways. Those Christians who inherit the earth forever cannot be humans if they are members of the Kingdom of God -- as flesh and blood humans cannot inherit the Kingdom of God!

That is why they must be born again of the Spirit as spirits into the Kingdom of God:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2671]

Are you declaring that the mind is physical?

Of course it is.

Does YHVH have a mind?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2671]

Are you declaring that the mind is physical?

Of course it is.

Does YHVH have a mind?

I'm not sure what spirits have.

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2671]

Are you declaring that the mind is physical?

Of course it is.

Does YHVH have a mind?

I'm not sure what spirits have.

So you are not sure if YHVH has a mind?

[JehovahsWitness]

When Jesus [said] you will be with me in Paradise ... this could be referencing "the kingdom of God"

Lets just take the words as in the text and not swop one word for the other.

The thief said "remember me when you get into your kingdom" and Jesus replied "You will be with me in paradise". If he had wanted to say "You will be with me in my kingdom" he would presumably had said that. As it is Jesus gets his kingdom and the thief gets paradise.

The kingdom : A heavenly Government ruled by Jesus and fellow corulers all mighty SPIRIT PERSONS in heaven.

Paradise*: Human FLESH AND BLOOD subjects of said kingdom living on a paradisaic (gardenlike) earth.

* the word PARADISE in bible times meant "garden"

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

THE KINGDOM, THE MILLENIUM and ...THE EARTHLY PARADISE

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2671]

Are you declaring that the mind is physical?

Of course it is.

Does YHVH have a mind?

I'm not sure what spirits have.

So you are not sure if YHVH has a mind?

I'm sure He doesn't have one by our definition of "mind" because God isn't a person.

Mind: the element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought:

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2671]

Are you declaring that the mind is physical?

Of course it is.

Does YHVH have a mind?

I'm not sure what spirits have.

So you are not sure if YHVH has a mind?

I'm sure YHVH doesn't have one by our definition of "mind" because YHVH isn't a person.

Mind: the element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought:

True - YHVH is not a human person, but are you suggesting YHVH has no personality?

If YHVH has personality, we can adjust the definition to suit;

Mind: the element of sentient beings that enable them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought:

[2ndpillar2]

When Jesus [said] you will be with me in Paradise ... this could be referencing "the kingdom of God"

Lets just take the words as in the text and not swop one word for the other.

The thief said "remember me when you get into your kingdom" and Jesus replied "You will be with me in paradise". If he had wanted to say "You will be with me in my kingdom" he would presumably had said that. As it is Jesus gets his kingdom and the thief gets paradise.

The kingdom : A heavenly Government ruled by Jesus and fellow corulers all mighty SPIRIT PERSONS in heaven.

Paradise*: Human FLESH AND BLOOD subjects of said kingdom living on a paradisaic (gardenlike) earth.

* the word PARADISE in bible times meant "garden"

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

THE KINGDOM, THE MILLENIUM and ...THE EARTHLY PARADISE

As for "thiefs" and "liars" getting into "paradise", well there might be exceptions I do not know of, but the liars may be in "paradise", within the rule of the king, "the Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), but according to Revelation 22:15, they will remain outside the "gates" of Jerusalem, and under the "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15). Nice enough if you don't come afoul of the "king" (Zechariah 14:16-17), but apparently there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth" for the "wicked" (Matthew 13:49-50). The "kingdom" is referenced with respect to the people living under their own "grape vine" (Micah 4:4), such as owning their own land, and turning their spears into pruning hooks, which is to say, the "great reset", reimagined socialism, whereas you will own nothing and be happy, will soon come to a raging stop. As for "pruning hooks", apparently, if one is lazy, they will not be happy, for there is focused energy required for using a pruning hook.

[Miles]

Yup, and when talking to someone, say your children, would you phrase something as you understood a word's meaning or how they understand its meaning?

There are no words in the bible that cannot be understood;

So what does σκύβαλον (translit. skybalon) mean in Philippians 3:8?
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"dung" 12 times
"refuse" 4 times
"garbage" 10 times
"rubbish" 13 times
"filth" 2 times
"trash" 6 times
"worthless" 2 times
"less than nothing" 3 times
"manure" 1 time
"waste" 1 time
"dirt" 1 time
"sewer trash" 1 time.

Do you think there is anyone over five that cannot understand any of those words? My six year old neice knows what "dirt", "trash" or "garbage" means. So how does your list prove there are words in the bible people don't understand.

First of all, I wasn't asking about the English words in the list, but their source: σκύβαλον, or whatever foreign word Bible scholars/translators were reading. Remember, I asked "So what does σκύβαλον (translit. skybalon) mean in Philippians 3:8?" NOT "What do 'dung,' 'refuse,' etc. mean?

Secondly, my remark was in response to the fact that Bible scholars/translators did not understand σκύβαλον (translit. skybalon) in Philippians 3:8. "Dung" is not "dirt," and "dirt" is not "sewer trash," and "sewer trash" is not "garbage," and . . . . . well you get the idea. So far 12 different interpretations and counting.

Anyway the point of my post was that the bible exists to help us understand Gods thinking on things. And it does so by speaking in reletively simple terms we can all grasp.

So what do think Paul thought of all those things that were important to him? Did he consider them to be "dung," or "refuse," or "garbage," or "rubbish," or "filth," or "trash," or "worthless," or "less than nothing," or "manure," or "waste," or "dirt," or "sewer trash"? Which do you pick to tell your son or daughter, and why that one?

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